[Freakinoldguy]

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Gen. Walt Natynczyk told the House of Commons defence committee that Canadian troops questioned but did not detain the man, who was on the fringes of a battle.

He said the man was released, but picked up almost immediately by Afghan police, who led him away and started beating him with their shoes. Troops then rescued the suspect from the Afghan police.

Okay so we didn't pick the guy up and he was captured by the Afghani police and they beat him with their shoes. That makes us responsible..............how?

That being said, there is a very freakin large difference between beating a suspect with shoes and torture. As the matter of fact if we use the NDP's extremely flawed logic, half the police officers in Canada should be incarcerated at the Hague awaiting trial.

What a joke.

[gigs]

Does this mean Iggy will finally force an election

[Alta_redneck]

Where does the line start for those that don't GAF.

[ridenrain]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

Where does the line start for those that don't GAF.

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Stand in line... Lots were in line before you.

[Lemmy]

ridenrain ridenrain:

It's a well proven fact ...

[Thanos]

The wise approach is to understand that this sort of grandstanding and character assassination is all the NDP can really do. They have zero hope of ever forming a national government in Canada. Therefore it remains logical that these public displays of sheer nonsense and malicious personal slander are their only way of reminding Canadians that they even still exist.

Taliban Jack and his cronies will get their usual 20 to 25 seats in the next election. No backsliding into the oblivion of non-party status but no breakthrough either into any voting demographics besides that of the hopelessly ridiculous college students and class warfare Marxist old-timers down at the union halls. It doesn't matter how much the media cretins (the same geniuses BTW who kept saying that Elizabeth May was going to knock off Peter Mackay in his home riding the last time around) keep predicting that the NDP will finally emerge as a major force in Canadian politics. The problem for the media, and for the NDP when it comes right down to it, is that there's never been any indication whatsoever to even believe that Canadian voters are hopelessly insane to do such a thing as giving real power to the NDP. Nothing new to see here, folks. Please keep moving along.

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

The wise approach is to understand that this sort of grandstanding and character assassination is all the NDP can really do. They have zero hope of ever forming a national government in Canada. Therefore it remains logical that these public displays of sheer nonsense and malicious personal slander are their only way of reminding Canadians that they even still exist.

Character assassination? What about going after your own staff and accusing them of rank treason? The one hope that Canadians have of getting truth out of there political system is the odd underling who stands up and calls "bullshit." Good for these ambassadors who are standing by Colvin.

[Thanos]

Does that include the impugning of the characters of armed forces generals and other diplomats who say that Colvin is either lying for reasons unknown or completely off his rocker? Why is it that the single so-called whistle-blower is automatically believed without any reservations at all, especially in a case where there's no credible evidence or paper trail to back up his allegations? This isn't Adscam where the paper evidence was knee-deep and supported by numerous witnesses or those involved. This is one man accusing the Canadian Armed Forces, Canadian soldiers, and the Canadian government of supporting and abetting torture. Why is this one person right and every one who's countered his allegations a malfeasant liar?

(Could it be because it's headhunting time for the allegedly loyal parliamentary Oppostion to pretend it's still relevant??? NAW! And where was the righteous NDP rage BTW when their eternal buddies in the LIBERAL party were neck-deep in the Maher Arar scandal? Or the Will Sampson scandal? How come NDP could have been translated into MIA during those instances? It's because the NDP are cherry-picking pigs who don't go after those closest to them in ideology over much worse issues, that's why.)

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

Does that include the impugning of the characters of armed forces generals and other diplomats who say that Colvin is either lying for reasons unknown or completely off his rocker? Why is it that the single so-called whistle-blower is automatically believed without any reservations at all, especially in a case where there's no credible evidence or paper trail to back up his allegations?

Good questions. First of all, I doubt he's completely off his rocker. He could be, but I'd say that's a pretty low percentage play, given his position. Lying--well, I did consider that, but when two people are claiming opposite stories, you typically look at the guy who does not have a huge vested interest in the story. That's why a judge believes a cop over a speeder--the cop has nothing vested in the outcome, whereas the speeder wants to dodge a ticket. Colvin doesn't have much to gain here--quite the contrary; he's getting dragged through the mud. Whereas McKay clearly has a vested political interest in the outcome.

Thirdly, Colvin is quietly making his case, while McKay and his goons are foaming at the mouth with rhetoric. Brings to ind that old Shakespeare line "Methinks he doth protest too much."

Fourthly, would it really be all that surprising that Afghan goons are torturing prisoners. AS far as I can tell, that kind of brutality is and always has been commonplace in Afghanistan. So it stands the test of common sense.

And lastly I've seen conservatives do this before. Scott Ritter was pilloried by teh Republicans and the media in the run up to the Iraq War. Cheney actually outed a covert CIA operative because her husband was calling bullshit on the WMD business.

I don't know about a paper trail. There's probably something somewhere. But McKay has now come out and said that there is "credible evidence" that detainees transferred to Afghan authorities were tortured.

So for those reasons, I don't think Colvin can be so easily dismissed. It shouldn't just be the NDP after McKay, it should be the entire Opposition.

[ShepherdsDog]

A politician tinkered with the truth??? Oh God!! The inhumanity...whatever shall we do? Wait a second, I think the sky is starting to fall...... Get over it, it's their nature to prevaricate.

Seriously, are we supposed to keep every terrorist captured in Afghanistan in custody? I thought the idea was to let them learn how to run their own affairs. If Canadian troops are required to be zoo keepers as well as peace makers, then a lot more troops will be required over there. So what do you want more Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan or getting them to learn how to take out/care of their own trash?

[EyeBrock]

OldChum OldChum:

You should'nt be it is our reputation on the line , in this world .

Nobody cares oldchum. This is as interesting as Tiger Woods. People can see that this is just politics now. This shit happened 3 years ago in a country where everybody is brutal to each other.

Boring.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Nobody cares oldchum. This is as interesting as Tiger Woods. People can see that this is just politics now. This shit happened 3 years ago in a country where everybody is brutal to each other.

Boring.

It's too bad that the suffering of others bores you.. Go watch some U.F.C. or something while the grownups talk.

[OldChum]

Yes it is to bad that you condone our men and women being as bad as them then . We in this country do have certain laws to follow and that is why we are better then them . I personally agree if it had been him or me he would be dialing for Mohamed but if he is a prisoner then the thing changes .

[EyeBrock]

However the Liberals and NDP try to spin this, It is not the Airborne in Somalia.

These are prisoners handed over by the CF to the Afghan army and Police in Afghanistan.
This is a brutal country. Pathetic analogies to UFC just show the immaturity of some and the lack of support of our troops in combat.

[Curtman]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

However the Liberals and NDP try to spin this, It is not the Airborne in Somalia.

These are prisoners handed over by the CF to the Afghan army and Police in Afghanistan.
This is a brutal country. Pathetic analogies to UFC just show the immaturity of some and the lack of support of our troops in combat.

I don't think you know what an analogy is. We gave the Afghan army their legitimacy. If they are abusing prisoners, we shouldn't be handing them over.