[dino_bobba_renno]

BionicBunny BionicBunny:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

For all the fuss and muss that's made every time a kirpan is allowed at some event and / or venue I have yet to hear of an incident involving one.

http://www.sikhcoalition.org/LegalCanada5.asp

There have been, in the Metropolitan Toronto area, three reported incidents of violent kirpan use. One involved a plea of guilty to attempted murder after a stabbing with a kirpan. In one street fight, a man was stabbed in the back with a kirpan. In one case, a kirpan was drawn for defensive purposes.

3 cases? One of which was self defense. Sorry that's not really what I'd consider a rash of incidents. The kirpan being used as a weapon is pretty much a non issue.

[BionicBunny]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

3 cases? One of which was self defense. Sorry that's not really what I'd consider a rash of incidents. The kirpan being used as a weapon is pretty much a non issue.

Did I present them as a rash of incidents? No I did not. You said you have not heard of an incident involving one. I presented you with three just to let you know it does happen. I can dig up more but what's the point, I have already proven it does happen. Wether you want to classify it as a rash of incidents is your choice. I certainly don't call it a rash considering the evidence.

But I will state wether it is a common or uncommon occurrence, it has been proven it can be used as a weapon, at least to harm, at most to kill.

I am against the kirpan entering an olympics' event. It is allowing a religion to trump safety much as B.C. allowing Sikhs to be exempt from the helmet law on bicycles or motorcycles.

[OldChum]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

For all the fuss and muss that's made every time a kirpan is allowed at some event and / or venue I have yet to hear of an incident involving one. If there's some overwhelming evidence showing that they are being used in acts of violence on a significant scale then sure we should look at it but until then I think the whole kirpan thing gets way over blown by the media.

Yep thats what I thought do not remember one story about them yet. So whats the big deal

[OldChum]

Did the Toronto police actualy see the kirpin being used or did some freind of the victim , or some expert on the street . How do we know for sure it was one .

[ShepherdsDog]

So if a Scotsman were to attend the games in proper dress, would they be allowed to carry their sgian dhubh?

[acidcomplex]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

For all the fuss and muss that's made every time a kirpan is allowed at some event and / or venue I have yet to hear of an incident involving one.

Guess we should let people in with guns and regular knives, toothpicks, nail files,hammers,bats by your logic. I haven't heard of the last time a gun was used at a baseball game, oh well in that case let them in, no worries.

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

If there's some overwhelming evidence showing that they are being used in acts of violence on a significant scale then sure we should look at it.

people said the same thing about knives,shampoo,nail files,combs, etc on planes, how did that turn out?....oh right thousands dead. ok thanks, just checking

[Bacardi4206]

OldChum OldChum:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

For all the fuss and muss that's made every time a kirpan is allowed at some event and / or venue I have yet to hear of an incident involving one. If there's some overwhelming evidence showing that they are being used in acts of violence on a significant scale then sure we should look at it but until then I think the whole kirpan thing gets way over blown by the media.

Yep thats what I thought do not remember one story about them yet. So whats the big deal

The big deal is the fact they are knives. Dangerous weapons. You don't see people being allowed to bring knives and guns or other weapons to these events do you? Theres no reason why Sikh daggers are allowed to be there.

Just as a FYI I remember a story only 1 year ago about a kid who brought one to his high-school and got into a fight with this kid and stabbed him with it. He was allowed to bring it in for the exact purpose that the school diddn't want to get in the way of muslim religious values. Look how well that turned out for that high-school?

The fact there hasn't bee MANY and the word is many because there have been events is not a reason to just simply allow them. I mean I haven't heard the last time somebody in Canada used a assault rifle like a AK-47 to kill anybody. Should we start allowing AK-47's at the Olympics?

[ridenrain]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

So if a Scotsman were to attend the games in proper dress, would they be allowed to carry their sgian dhubh?

I don't know if being a Scotsman is a religion but it is a fair comparison.

While I'd like to see them not be allowed to carry or to have no special exemptions because of religion, this is Canada and we're already way too far down that path to turn around.

This is pretty much settled in BC so I really don't know where this is comming from. Is this some Eastern RCMP or IOC secuirty folks who simnply don't know BC?

[BartSimpson]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I don't know if being a Scotsman is a religion

I see you don't know any SNP members!

[Lemmy]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

So if a Scotsman were to attend the games in proper dress, would they be allowed to carry their sgian dhubh?

I wear mine lots of places. If I was mad enough or scared enough to need a weapon, any old object nearby would likely be more useful than the sgain dubh. It's got a point, but like the kirpan has no sharpened edges...only slightly more useful than a butter knife as a weapon.

[acidcomplex]

Lemmy Lemmy:

only slightly more useful than a butter knife as a weapon.

Butterknife can easily kill somebody sharp or not, easily