[poquas]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Obsessing over the coalition now simply shows desperation.

It’s much more than desperation. It demonstrates a serious lack of imagination and a rather childish approach to dealing with the situation. Most of all it demonstrates the inability of Harper to address his own shortcomings and resolve the problems that he’s created. Much like a child reacts, everything that has failed or been brought up for criticism is somebody else’s fault. A small show of ongoing cooperation would go a long way in dispelling the toxic environment that now exists in parliament. Much of it is a direct result of Harper’s method of management.

As a still current member of the Conservative party I received a call from a friend I met years ago at a party convention. He’s still pretty deeply involved in the party and after a short conversation where I informed him of my dissatisfaction with the current party direction and antics and that I wasn't going to support them any more, he told me that I’m not alone. There appears to be a growing dissatisfaction and split in the grass roots of the party. He suggests that it’s probable that regardless of who wins the next shitfest (his words) that it’s going to be a minority and that the party problems are finally going to boil over and force some changes at the top.

I now have some hope!

[Smacle]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

llama66 llama66:

I really wish we could go just 4 years without an election.

No minority government has ever lasted 4 years. The voters would have to elect a majority government for the frequent elections to stop. We have seen the voters will not elect a Conservative majority, at least not under Harper, so...

I'm convinced. I'll change my profile to reflect my new found liberal ideals.

[Scape]

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Stephen Harper tried to call a confidence voter in the first week that parliament sat after the election.

Tried and nearly lost if it wasn't for the fact the alternative was so dubious. It's a bad vs worse option the GG had and she made the right call. We need conservative leadership in the house it can not be cast out because it does represent a large chunk of Canada and is more legitimate then the socialists or the separatists.

The ends justify the means crowd has run the Conservatives simply because that was the only way to make the party work post Reform party. This is not a result of childish shortsightedness on the part of leadership, this is simple survival. I can't see a civil war within the ranks of the Conservative movement gaining much clout because they would just remake the party into another Liberal party and that brand has been taken already. No, the niche the Harper crowd has carved is the only one they could take and have a shot at power otherwise they would end up like a conservative version of Dion aka Preston Manning. A man who was a great policy wonk but had no political gravitas to get a movement beyond a regional rump party.

[OnTheIce]

poquas poquas:

It’s much more than desperation. It demonstrates a serious lack of imagination and a rather childish approach to dealing with the situation. Most of all it demonstrates the inability of Harper to address his own shortcomings and resolve the problems that he’s created. Much like a child reacts, everything that has failed or been brought up for criticism is somebody else’s fault. A small show of ongoing cooperation would go a long way in dispelling the toxic environment that now exists in parliament. Much of it is a direct result of Harper’s method of management.

No, it's got nothing to do with desperation. Stop kidding yourselves.

These types of ads and criticism works. When the CPC or Liberals jump the gun and define their opponent via media, they win.

The Liberals were able to define Harper as "scary", the CPC was able to label Dion "not a leader" and they're going at Ignatieff again with the "just in it for himself" which is resounding with Canadians.

As I've said all along, the Canadian electorate is bought and sold via the sound byte. Don't expect anything different.

[Saskanna]

$1:

No, it's got nothing to do with desperation. Stop kidding yourselves.

These types of ads and criticism works. When the CPC or Liberals jump the gun and define their opponent via media, they win.

The Liberals were able to define Harper as "scary", the CPC was able to label Dion "not a leader" and they're going at Ignatieff again with the "just in it for himself" which is resounding with Canadians.

As I've said all along, the Canadian electorate is bought and sold via the sound byte. Don't expect anything different

I totally agree with you Ice. Except for perhaps a small percentage of people, the electorate are extremely susceptible to the message of so-called "attack ads." Unfortunately.

[Lemmy]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

No, it's got nothing to do with desperation. Stop kidding yourselves. These types of ads and criticism works. When the CPC or Liberals jump the gun and define their opponent via media, they win.

The Liberals were able to define Harper as "scary", the CPC was able to label Dion "not a leader" and they're going at Ignatieff again with the "just in it for himself" which is resounding with Canadians.

As I've said all along, the Canadian electorate is bought and sold via the sound byte. Don't expect anything different.

Sadly, I think I agree with you. Canadians are a lot dumber than I'd given us credit for.

[OnTheIce]

Lemmy Lemmy:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

No, it's got nothing to do with desperation. Stop kidding yourselves. These types of ads and criticism works. When the CPC or Liberals jump the gun and define their opponent via media, they win.

The Liberals were able to define Harper as "scary", the CPC was able to label Dion "not a leader" and they're going at Ignatieff again with the "just in it for himself" which is resounding with Canadians.

As I've said all along, the Canadian electorate is bought and sold via the sound byte. Don't expect anything different.

Sadly, I think I agree with you. Canadians are a lot dumber than I'd given us credit for.

This is the main reason why I can't do door-to-door canvasing for any election, let alone Federal.

People hear a rumour, from a friend or a relative and it's gospel to them.

Nobody is interested in the truth, reality or details.

People are interested in making a decision based on a 10 second sound clip or a rumour from a friend. Anything else is too much work.

[Annihilator]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

These types of ads and criticism works. When the CPC or Liberals jump the gun and define their opponent via media, they win.

I think that's pretty sad. I'd rather vote for a party that tells me what they're going to do instead of a party that forces obvious demagogy down people's throat and juste whine about how much their opponents suck.

If people were thinking more instead of believing everything they're told, it would not be a problem, especially in Quebec.

[OnTheIce]

Annihilator Annihilator:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

These types of ads and criticism works. When the CPC or Liberals jump the gun and define their opponent via media, they win.

I think that's pretty sad. I'd rather vote for a party that tells me what they're going to do instead of a party that forces obvious demagogy down people's throat and juste whine about how much their opponents suck.

If people were thinking more instead of believing everything they're told, it would not be a problem, especially in Quebec.

You're part of a very small minority. Sadly, that tactic doesn't work.

The best thing to do is try to get your family and friends informed on who they might be voting for.

Only WE can demand a change to how these guys run their campaigns.

[Annihilator]

Well, I discuss politics a lot with my friends. However, they do not show a lot of interests for that, unlike I do.

But again, I live in Quebec. I've got separatists friends that will hate harper and vote bloc no matter how I disprove their arguments. I have other friends that are leftists and will hate Harper the same way.

The propaganda around Harper being so evil is blown out of proportions where I live. I mean, no human beign can be THAT bad, the demagogy machine and attack ads are pretty much ruining any possibility of a rationnal discussion about politics where I live.

[olive]

poquas poquas:

Winnipegger Winnipegger:

Obsessing over the coalition now simply shows desperation.

It’s much more than desperation. It demonstrates a serious lack of imagination and a rather childish approach to dealing with the situation. Most of all it demonstrates the inability of Harper to address his own shortcomings and resolve the problems that he’s created. Much like a child reacts, everything that has failed or been brought up for criticism is somebody else’s fault. A small show of ongoing cooperation would go a long way in dispelling the toxic environment that now exists in parliament. Much of it is a direct result of Harper’s method of management.

As a still current member of the Conservative party I received a call from a friend I met years ago at a party convention. He’s still pretty deeply involved in the party and after a short conversation where I informed him of my dissatisfaction with the current party direction and antics and that I wasn't going to support them any more, he told me that I’m not alone. There appears to be a growing dissatisfaction and split in the grass roots of the party. He suggests that it’s probable that regardless of who wins the next shitfest (his words) that it’s going to be a minority and that the party problems are finally going to boil over and force some changes at the top.

I now have some hope!

Thanks for that information. Now I have some hope too! I'm really sick of Harper's nastiness. Good to hear conservatives are too.