[ridenrain]

Please back away from the keyboard and read what I said.

I'm saying I haven't been following the topic but it's very simple. He has one or he dosen't.

Why he might now and what that means isn't where I'm going yet.

[Thanos]

What you said was that the issue would end if Obama authorized the release of the full birth certificate from the Hawaiian state government archives. The second he does that the Beck-heads will be screaming "forgery!", "ZOG!", "Capricorn One!", or whatever other part of their delusional substance-bereft campaign is primed and ready.

Like I said before, this is all part and parcel of a figurative assassination of Obama being carried out by demented lunatics and ultra-cynical Republican agents seeking political opportunism. It represents the worst of the American political system that this nonsense is being given any credence at all by any functioning adult that considers themselves a good citizen or decent human being.

[ridenrain]

I didn't say that because, as I said, I wasn't following this close enough. Please don't lump me in with the assorted moonbats you describe.
At least give me some rope first.

[Thanos]

I apologize then. This issue, and any other wretched conspiracy-stinking dreck tends to get me wildly wound up, and not in a good way.

And here's a good summary to start for anyone interested in the Birther phenomenon, as well as an introduction to some of the names involved and some of the legal attempts that have been laughed out of just about every American court they've tried to get on their side. Alan Keyes is in on it, so you know from the start that there's nothing good at all about this so-called "movement":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthers

[N_Fiddledog]

Now me, I'm still not over this one...

Thanos Thanos:

Tea-baggers, Palinites, the Limbaugh/Coulter/Hannity audiences, and now the Birthers are just the new manifestation of the ancient American race hatred that's always been headquarted out of the South.

So if you like Sarah Palin you hate negroes, is that what you're saying?

You can add Lou Dobbs to your list BTW...



This guy's a little wacky, but are you saying he's also bigoted against the black president?



It's the bigot thing I don't get. I'm not sure I get the parameters. Is it people in general who want to see the actual birth certificate who are bigots (Dobbs is a Libertarian), or is it Republicans who want to see the birth certificate, or is it Republicans in general who are bigots?

Cause there's a big chunk of conservative media who don't care if they ever see Obama's birth certificate.

Here's proof

They've still been known to criticize Obama though. So does that mean they get a pass on the bigot thing by not asking to see the birth certificate, but they're still bigots for being critical elsewhere?

[Thanos]

Anyone who makes an issue over the birth certificate is probably a genuine racist. There's no way they'd be doing this if Obama were a white man. This is the same tactic they perfected back when they accused the Clintons of ordering a hit on Vince Foster. They're doing this birth certificate end-run because it's no longer acceptable to for them to openly come out and call someone a nigger (and merrily advocate the inevitable lynching thereof).

The teabaggers are part of all this. Look up the photos of them and their rather amusing signs and posters they were holding up at their protests. And Palin was quite explicit during her campaign appearances that Obama was a terrorist, so her gaggle of kool-aid drinkers can be easliy counted upon to do their part for the Birther strategy.

Good link you provided though. It's nice to see once in a while that not every conservative in America has descended into mental bedlam since Nov 2008. Too bad they appear to be in the minority as the Beck-heads are clearly ascendant right now. And all American conservatives are suffering from a fate they kind of deserved anyway. They all chose to get on and ride a tiger of incredible malice so they can't really blame anyone but themselves when said tiger inevitably turns on them and chows down.

Too bad about Dobbs joining in on this. As the Democrats are probably looking at two full terms in control of both the Congress and the Presidency, Dobbs probably had to find a new avenue of populist invective to explore besides that of illegal immigration which clearly the Democrats are not going to do anything about (just like Bush and his Congressional Republican buddies did nothing about either). And it's unfortunate that he decided to inch closer to the propaganda of libertarians like the Paultards and then choose the Birther movement as the new star to hitch his wagon to. BTW, did Lou ever say much of anything either for or against well-known Birther James Von Brunn who took good care of some security guard darkie at the Holocaust Museum shooting? God knows Ron Paul won't so one would assume that it'd be up to a libertarian like Dobbs to prove to everyone that his movement's members are mostly decent enough to condemn that sort of thing and in reality all don't have signed posters of George Lincoln Rockwell hanging in their basements above the washing machine.

[romanP]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Thanos Thanos:

I doubt it. I've seen nothing from any of the Birthers to indicate to me that they're nothing but the same sort of people who would have been happy to pose for souvenir photographs next to the mutilated corpse of a black man at a 1920's Deep South lynching. That the Republican party is now the Party of Dixie, with their base concentrated in the old Confederate states because their support's evaporated practically everywhere else, and has become policy-central for this type of mouth-frothing insanity is no coincidence either. Tea-baggers, Palinites, the Limbaugh/Coulter/Hannity audiences, and now the Birthers are just the new manifestation of the ancient American race hatred that's always been headquarted out of the South.

Wow.

I haven't really been following this as much as I should but it's a simple matter. He has one or he does not. If he shows them, the topic is dead.

He doesn't need to show anything. This is same kind of bullshit tactic that Klan members who had worked their way into law enforcement used to prevent black people from voting when America had racial segregation. They'd make up some dumb technicality to make black people jump through non-existent hoops that they could never hope to see the end of. Fortunately, the KKK doesn't run anything bigger than a church anymore, so this whole thing is a bunch of nonsense.

[romanP]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Now me, I'm still not over this one...

Thanos Thanos:

Tea-baggers, Palinites, the Limbaugh/Coulter/Hannity audiences, and now the Birthers are just the new manifestation of the ancient American race hatred that's always been headquarted out of the South.

So if you like Sarah Palin you hate negroes, is that what you're saying?

No, it just means it's easy to draw a Venn diagram where the those groups overlap in some way.

[N_Fiddledog]

Wait a minute though...are you guys saying John McCain is black?

In the early stage of his run for the presidency McCain met a similar controversy concerning his place of birth. He just produced a birth certificate, checked out the law involving his birth in the Panama canal zone, and that was that.

I think maybe Dobbs is kind of like me and Ride and Rain. He never used to find the topic that interesting, but he notices it's not going away, and it could all be solved by simply providing the birth certificate, like John McCain did. He can't help asking himself, "well why doesn't Barrack just do that then?".

Do that and we can all move on to the stuff that matters. Don't do it, and you start to look at best, arrogant, or at worst a liar.

[DerbyX]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... ficate.asp



Does this count?

[romanP]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Wait a minute though...are you guys saying John McCain is black?

In the early stage of his run for the presidency McCain met a similar controversy concerning his place of birth. He just produced a birth certificate, checked out the law involving his birth in the Panama canal zone, and that was that.

I think maybe Dobbs is kind of like me and Ride and Rain. He never used to find the topic that interesting, but he notices it's not going away, and it could all be solved by simply providing the birth certificate, like John McCain did. He can't help asking himself, "well why doesn't Barrack just do that then?".

Sure, but why entertain a bunch of racists and their ideas? It's better to just ignore them like the crazy fools that they are. As someone else said, and as Derby has now confirmed with the Snopes link, even if he did produce a birth certificate, they'd say it was a forgery.

$1:

Do that and we can all move on to the stuff that matters. Don't do it, and you start to look at best, arrogant, or at worst a liar.

I think Barack Obama is working on stuff that matters. That's why he's not entertaining a bunch of racist crackheads.

[dino_bobba_renno]

First off, I think the entire topic of Obama being born in the US or not is complete idiocy at it's best. Who cares? The man is now the president of the United States, what are they going to do even if they find out he wasn't born in the US? Throw him out of office? Ya right.

[Dayseed]

tritium tritium:

Oh cares, all the anti-Bush zealots elected this smooth-talking charlatan into the white house... it was an American Idol moment, just punch 666 on you cell phone...

Now they have him, hope he sinks the USA into years of debt and inflation.

Oh yes, because the pro-Bush zealots did so much better with Bush in the White House in terms of sinking the USA into years of debt and inflation.

[Dayseed]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

First off, I think the entire topic of Obama being born in the US or not is complete idiocy at it's best. Who cares? The man is now the president of the United States, what are they going to do even if they find out he wasn't born in the US? Throw him out of office? Ya right.

I agree. It's not like they threw Bush out of office when they found out he wasn't even elected!

[N_Fiddledog]

DerbyX DerbyX:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp



Does this count?

I don't know a lot about the issue, but according to Dobbs that's a "certificate of live birth", not a birth certificate. Apparently some people, like Philadelphia attorney and Hilary Clinton supporter, Phillip Berg, want to see the birth certificate, not the certificate of live birth. I don't get what the difference is, but according to Dobbs there is one. So what he, and others (not just what you guys are calling southern, crackers) are asking is if the problem is the lack of the production of the birth certificate, why won't Obama simply do what McCain did when he was facing similar controversy, and produce the birth certificate?

If what he's saying is true, it sounds like a reasonable request. I don't see why making it makes people so angry. I do however see a certain hypocrisy, in vilifying and encouraging hatred towards a group of people, in this case people from the south, based on unsubstantiated claims, such as only they want to see the birth certificate, then calling them the bigots. I've only seen evidence of one group of bigots on this thread so far, and it isn't the people from the south.