[commanderkai]

Oh God, how much worse? Will aliens invade us? Will we fly into the sun? Are we going to cause the universe to implode?

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

Are we going to cause the universe to implode?

Not until they get the Collider up and running

[ziggy]

Climate change is a moneymaker for the fearmongers.

Here's how you do it,pick a species that isnt being monitored,let's say the blue belly bowling beetle,you study it for awhile and then apply for a grant,once the seed moneys there you can start websites and get your message out to the peeps about the plight of the B.B.B beetle.You can then write a book and call yourself an environmental authour,paving the way for more grant money.The book will make a few bucks but it will instantly make you an expert in that field because hey,you have wrote about it.

Best to pick a new species as peeps are starting to see through the ruse about drowning polar bears.Now that the secrets out that they can swim for days on end they arent the best to use to sell books or get grants anymore.

[N_Fiddledog]

fifeboy fifeboy:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

That isn't the only climate conference happening this week. The Heartland Institute is holding one in New York.

Tell us about the Heartland Institute Fiddledog. What is their purpose?

I don't know. Free Market advocacy group? Shill for big oil, and big tobacco? Right-wing think tank? Pick your label.

In the climate change arena they claim they've never received more than 5% per-cent of their funding from energy companies, and there is no corporate funding of their climate conference.

You can go to some place like sourcewatch, or Desmogblog to see them dissed if you want.

I think it's a good idea to take what you hear from advocacy groups with a grain of salt, but for me that would include almost everything you hear from the other side as well including Kyoto, the IPCC, RealClimate, and Desmogblog. Lots of money and hidden agendas driving those.

As far as the conference Heartland puts on in New York though, I find that credible. The speakers are sincere, and knowledgeable on their individual expertise. It's growing too. It's double the size it was last year.

Here's two contrasting views of the conference...

From the skeptic-friendly National Post

From the alarmist friendly Washington Post

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

fifeboy fifeboy:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

That isn't the only climate conference happening this week. The Heartland Institute is holding one in New York.

Tell us about the Heartland Institute Fiddledog. What is their purpose?

I don't know. Free Market advocacy group? Shill for big oil, and big tobacco? Right-wing think tank? Pick your label.

In the climate change arena they claim they've never received more than 5% per-cent of their funding from energy companies, and there is no corporate funding of their climate conference.

You can go to some place like sourcewatch, or Desmogblog to see them dissed if you want.

I think it's a good idea to take what you hear from advocacy groups with a grain of salt, but for me that would include almost everything you hear from the other side as well including Kyoto, the IPCC, RealClimate, and Desmogblog. Lots of money and hidden agendas driving those.

As far as the conference Heartland puts on in New York though, I find that credible. The speakers are sincere, and knowledgeable on their individual expertise. It's growing too. It's double the size it was last year.

Here's two contrasting views of the conference...

From the skeptic-friendly National Post

From the alarmist friendly Washington Post

OK, just as long as everyone knows it's an advocacy group trying to disprove the idea of global warming. Not a science group.

[N_Fiddledog]

fifeboy fifeboy:

OK, just as long as everyone knows it's an advocacy group trying to disprove the idea of global warming. Not a science group.

Of course. Anybody who doesn't think advocacy plays a big part at any climate conference from either side is kidding themselves.

You listen to the information that comes out of them from the scientists and other experts, then you decide for yourself if any of it makes sense.

Check out the article on the conference from the warmism advocates at Grist. You'll like that one. Feel free to post it. I'd love to pick it apart.

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

fifeboy fifeboy:

OK, just as long as everyone knows it's an advocacy group trying to disprove the idea of global warming. Not a science group.

Of course. Anybody who doesn't think advocacy plays a big part at any climate conference from either side is kidding themselves.

You listen to the information that comes out of them from the scientists and other experts, then you decide for yourself if any of it makes sense.

Check out the article on the conference from the warmism advocates at Grist. You'll like that one. Feel free to post it. I'd love to pick it apart.

Me, I don't have a firm stand on this topic. My only point is that politics has ruined the scientific debate. Al Gore and the Heartland Institute need to be hung on the same gallows.

[N_Fiddledog]

fifeboy fifeboy:

Me, I don't have a firm stand on this topic. My only point is that politics has ruined the scientific debate. Al Gore and the Heartland Institute need to be hung on the same gallows.

Actually that's going to be a pretty crowded gallows. Maurice strong and his UN cronies, the Suzuki foundation, the Siera foundation, Green Peace, the WWF, any NGO at any climate conference (and there's lots), Soros, the Rockefellers, the Kennedys, General Electric, BP Standard, Shell oil, the IPCC policy makers, the eco-activists hi-jacking policy at scientific organizations, Obama's "Science" team, politically financed blogs, websites, think-tanks, and many, many, many more. Hanging them all would make the guillotine days of the French revolution look like a day in the park.

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

fifeboy fifeboy:

Me, I don't have a firm stand on this topic. My only point is that politics has ruined the scientific debate. Al Gore and the Heartland Institute need to be hung on the same gallows.

Actually that's going to be a pretty crowded gallows. Maurice strong and his UN cronies, the Suzuki foundation, the Siera foundation, Green Peace, the WWF, any NGO at any climate conference (and there's lots), Soros, the Rockefellers, the Kennedys, General Electric, BP Standard, Shell oil, the IPCC policy makers, the eco-activists hi-jacking policy at scientific organizations, Obama's "Science" team, politically financed blogs, websites, think-tanks, and many, many, many more. Hanging them all would make the guillotine days of the French revolution look like a day in the park.

Don't forget to include yourself and a large number of politically motivated posters from CKA . But, no worries, B.C. is reported to have very large trees.

[N_Fiddledog]

I've already got my hiding place picked out for when the climate police come to get me.

[SprCForr]

It's all the Bilderberg's fault.