[DerbyX]

RUEZ RUEZ:

DerbyX DerbyX:

RUEZ RUEZ:

As if we care what Americans think about what we do in our country.

Excellent thought. I guess as long as Canadians are telling other countries how to act and how to run their countries we deserve the same treatment.

Nice try.

Nice try? What, are we allowed to bitch and complain about how the US runs their society and not expect it in return?

Just more of the world reknowed Canadian arrogance that allows us to bitch about other countries then freak out if they bitch about our seal hunts or exceedingly low environmental record.

[herbie]

djakeydd djakeydd:

Im talking about the Klappan River coalbed methane project, it is 100% shelved, possibly for good. If you lived here you would know of what i speak, its been a real big deal. Im out of the loop on the one in the se corner, but yeah, that should likely be canned too. There are few jobs or spinoff from CBM. Like I said before, Shell *&%$canned every stinking station in the area, methinks they are a bit pissed about all the bad press they have gotten here. Likely down in fernie no one gave a fat rats ass and I bet that shell still sells car gas there.

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That one's in the "Sacred Headwaters" part of the "Great Bear RainForest" of The Sacred Land.
They probably found an arrowhead drilling and just gave up, it wasn't worth the effort. Not like finding Jesus' left nut instead where you could put it in a box and sell it to a museum....

[djakeydd]

Actually you are incorrect. The so called great bear rain forest is located on Princess Royal Island on the BC central coast, nowhere near the Klappan. Great Bear is called that because of the kermode bears found there. As far as arrowheads go, that is not a concern. The concern is that the toxic water by product of extracting cbm will threaten the Skeena and Stikine river watersheds, The Klappan project is at the exact geographic headwaters of these two river systems. Anyways, don't try and gas up at any shell stations nearby, they all split. Herbie, where in Alberta are you from?
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[ziggy]

djakeydd djakeydd:

Im talking about the Klappan River coalbed methane project, it is 100% shelved, possibly for good. If you lived here you would know of what i speak, its been a real big deal. Im out of the loop on the one in the se corner, but yeah, that should likely be canned too. There are few jobs or spinoff from CBM. Like I said before, Shell *&%$canned every stinking station in the area, methinks they are a bit pissed about all the bad press they have gotten here. Likely down in fernie no one gave a fat rats ass and I bet that shell still sells car gas there.

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Allmost all the gas wells in the flathead were drilled by Shell.They are also phasing out most of their service stations,been part of their plan for years.

The last one in my town was a block away and torn down 4 months ago so I got to watch the reclamation work very closely.
Shells very good and thorough with their reclamation,they went over and above what they had to do to put that land back to original after 40 years of gas spills.

The CBM project in BC would have gave them a very good supply of gas for many years.Thing is if theres opposition then they will just drill somewhere else,CBM is present wherever theres coal and thats pretty well all of western Canada.

I worked for shell back in the 80's,they won the award for best reclamation in BC for many years in a row. They won the "Jade" which was coveted by all the other mines.

[ziggy]

djakeydd djakeydd:

Actually you are incorrect. The so called great bear rain forest is located on Princess Royal Island on the BC central coast, nowhere near the Klappan. Great Bear is called that because of the kermode bears found there. As far as arrowheads go, that is not a concern. The concern is that the toxic water by product of extracting cbm will threaten the Skeena and Stikine river watersheds, The Klappan project is at the exact geographic headwaters of these two river systems. Anyways, don't try and gas up at any shell stations nearby, they all split. Herbie, where in Alberta are you from?
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Toxic water from CBM gas?

What are you talking about?
You drill a hole and the gas flows up it,no water comes out.
CBM is naturally occuring anywhere there's coal,as water will NOT flow through a coal seam it will run along the seam untill it exits into whatever river or creek they drain to.

If anything,taking the gas out of the ground would be the environmentally friendly thing to do if your worried about contaminated ground water.

[ziggy]

Everytime you fart in the bath tub your releasing deadly gas into the groundwater.

[DerbyX]

I think you need a change in diet then!

[herbie]

Princess Royal is where the kermodes live but half the damned coast has been claimed as "the great bear forest". Someone else decided kermodes were "Spirit bears", others are ready to concede claims to the natives on the continental shelf (yeah they used to hold their breath dive 3,000 fathoms and dig another 2,000 ft for crude as warpaint).
You can't do dick shit around west-central BC without 3 generations waiting for environmental assessments and near blackmail payouts and settlements. $75,000 a year jobs aren't good enough, nobody actually wants to work!
[/rant]
But dakey's pointed out the coalbed opposition's main objection. In some places the gas has accidentally been released into groundwater and contaminated wells. No smoking while running the tap for a glass of water!

[ziggy]

Where are these places? Ive heard of gassy water in Some farmers places but they are living on top of a gas field.Driiling CBM wells doesnt cause this.

Any wells Ive seen that produce water have tanks,its stored,trucked and treated.

[djakeydd]

Thats all fine and dandy out in flatbush stubbleland, you cannot do it on the headwaters of the Klappan, and that is the reason people said no.

[bootlegga]

ziggy ziggy:

The last one in my town was a block away and torn down 4 months ago so I got to watch the reclamation work very closely.
Shells very good and thorough with their reclamation,they went over and above what they had to do to put that land back to original after 40 years of gas spills.

From what I've seen here in Edmonton, Shell blows everyone else away when it comes to environmentalism. They've rebuilt a dozen or so stations here in Edmonton after they found out the old metal tanks were leaking and replaced the entire station (surface and subsurface) with a brand new. On the other side of the coin, you have Esso, who just tears down their station and leaves an empty, polluted lot.

[ziggy]

djakeydd djakeydd:

Thats all fine and dandy out in flatbush stubbleland, you cannot do it on the headwaters of the Klappan, and that is the reason people said no.

The Flathead is far from being flatland stubblebrush,maybe you should leave your mom's basement and get out some.Nothing worse then an internet envirofoiler to skew the facts.I have friends who live on both the American side and the BC side of the flathead and I can tell you this all about property values.
These enviro-jobs you seem to be protecting are the same people you usually rally against.rich capitalists that got the land cheap and are now "land rich" and dont want to lose that status.

Kinda ironic eh djakkey?

I'm laughing,

[ziggy]

bootlegga bootlegga:

ziggy ziggy:

The last one in my town was a block away and torn down 4 months ago so I got to watch the reclamation work very closely.
Shells very good and thorough with their reclamation,they went over and above what they had to do to put that land back to original after 40 years of gas spills.

From what I've seen here in Edmonton, Shell blows everyone else away when it comes to environmentalism. They've rebuilt a dozen or so stations here in Edmonton after they found out the old metal tanks were leaking and replaced the entire station (surface and subsurface) with a brand new. On the other side of the coin, you have Esso, who just tears down their station and leaves an empty, polluted lot.

The "Jade" is BC's most sought after enviromental reclamation award and Shell won it hands down for many years in a row.The same guys are now running syncrude.
shell has some of the most environmentlly stringent rules in the industry,they were the first to go ISO in 2000 which meant they applied the same reclaim practices to all their work to the standards that won them the Jade for so many years. I know this because I was with Shell at the time and wrote the ISO papers for how they explored,pioneered and reclaimed their properties in the elk valley,ISO meant they had to do all their work to a certain standard all the time.

I was with Shell when they bought CNRL(crows nest resources) in BC and I can tell you that if the BC govt. at the time didnt start the north east coal project in Tumbler ridge then they would be the biggest coal mine company in Canada right now.
And the cleanest!
My stepdad ran the first bucketwheel in fort mac back in the 70's for fording coal who was stripping overburden for the tarsands and shell,most of the old hands moved here or south east BC to start up shells coal projects,they then moved back to fort mac to run the oilsands when things went bad.I know most of the managment at shell in the fort,the HR guy there used to be a rock truck driver in BC,most of the rest of the guys are from my home town or shell hands from the days when Royal Dutch had lots of cash to invest.
Anyone who thinks Alberta or BC has bad enviro practices hasnt left the basement of their mom's house for a few years.

I've been on pipeline projects where you had to leave a section of right of way alone untill september so the native grasses would go to seed,you couldnt even walk on it.
Dont even get me going on the birds.outfits will spend thousands of dollars to build an extra half mile of pipeline to go around a bird nest of plovers in a farmers field and station a bioligist there at all times to see if the birds become "disturbed".Then you have to stop all work for 24 hours,give the birds time to de-stress.

Ya,gotta love the new ways,but it's all due diligence.
Plus you have to remember the farmers get paid for the right of way through their property and they get paid the going rate for land in the area,so one well with a 2 klik R.O.W. thats 10 meters wide will get the farmer the coin for that amount of land,it's all measured out and calculated,when the p.line's done the farmer gets to use the land again,you usually cant tell there was a pipeline recently installed.

end of rant.

[djakeydd]

ziggy ziggy:

bootlegga bootlegga:

ziggy ziggy:

The last one in my town was a block away and torn down 4 months ago so I got to watch the reclamation work very closely.
Shells very good and thorough with their reclamation,they went over and above what they had to do to put that land back to original after 40 years of gas spills.

From what I've seen here in Edmonton, Shell blows everyone else away when it comes to environmentalism. They've rebuilt a dozen or so stations here in Edmonton after they found out the old metal tanks were leaking and replaced the entire station (surface and subsurface) with a brand new. On the other side of the coin, you have Esso, who just tears down their station and leaves an empty, polluted lot.

The "Jade" is BC's most sought after enviromental reclamation award and Shell won it hands down for many years in a row.The same guys are now running syncrude.
shell has some of the most environmentlly stringent rules in the industry,they were the first to go ISO in 2000 which meant they applied the same reclaim practices to all their work to the standards that won them the Jade for so many years. I know this because I was with Shell at the time and wrote the ISO papers for how they explored,pioneered and reclaimed their properties in the elk valley,ISO meant they had to do all their work to a certain standard all the time.

I was with Shell when they bought CNRL(crows nest resources) in BC and I can tell you that if the BC govt. at the time didnt start the north east coal project in Tumbler ridge then they would be the biggest coal mine company in Canada right now.
And the cleanest!
My stepdad ran the first bucketwheel in fort mac back in the 70's for fording coal who was stripping overburden for the tarsands and shell,most of the old hands moved here or south east BC to start up shells coal projects,they then moved back to fort mac to run the oilsands when things went bad.I know most of the managment at shell in the fort,the HR guy there used to be a rock truck driver in BC,most of the rest of the guys are from my home town or shell hands from the days when Royal Dutch had lots of cash to invest.
Anyone who thinks Alberta or BC has bad enviro practices hasnt left the basement of their mom's house for a few years.

I've been on pipeline projects where you had to leave a section of right of way alone untill september so the native grasses would go to seed,you couldnt even walk on it.
Dont even get me going on the birds.outfits will spend thousands of dollars to build an extra half mile of pipeline to go around a bird nest of plovers in a farmers field and station a bioligist there at all times to see if the birds become "disturbed".Then you have to stop all work for 24 hours,give the birds time to de-stress.

Ya,gotta love the new ways,but it's all due diligence.
Plus you have to remember the farmers get paid for the right of way through their property and they get paid the going rate for land in the area,so one well with a 2 klik R.O.W. thats 10 meters wide will get the farmer the coin for that amount of land,it's all measured out and calculated,when the p.line's done the farmer gets to use the land again,you usually cant tell there was a pipeline recently installed.

end of rant.

Boy - have you got nothing better to do than spout this drivel Stick to your stubblejumpin in Medicine Hat and leave us BCers out of the CBM cause we dont want it, dont need it. You do what you want on your side of the rocks, we dont need shell in north west bc.

[ziggy]

Medicine hat?