[Bruce_the_vii]

Recently immigration has been heavily scewed to people with university degrees. I looked up the CIC table and added up the columns and found that 45% of adults recently immigrated had degrees. The number gets that high because you get points if the spouse has a degree.

That's all very nice and everything but Canada produces lots of people with degrees, there's not a shortage. Education is likely over invested in all catagories because it is so heavily subsidized and a good way of getting ahead.

The situation is the government does very little thinking about how the immigration program is working or could work. All it knows is it's popular and there are votes in it.

[scarecrowe]

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

This produced wide complaints about university educated immigrants driving taxi.

So what can the person with a degree in any of the following do outside of driving a taxi?:

Political Science
Astronomy
Classics
Drama
Fine Art
Religion
Journalism
Music
Kinesiology
History
Film
Planetary Science

I take that back. None of the above qualifies one to drive a taxi for that requires a viable skill.

[Bruce_the_vii]

That's true. University degrees are not all that saleable. In political circles they are sold as "the best and the brightest" and who you want to immigrant. Makes no sense.

[CommanderSock]

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So what can the person with a degree in any of the following do outside of driving a taxi?:

Political Science
Astronomy
Classics
Drama
Fine Art
Religion
Journalism
Music
Kinesiology
History
Film
Planetary Science

I take that back. None of the above qualifies one to drive a taxi for that requires a viable skill.

Most are engineers, doctors etc etc.

But the unions and special interest groups make sure that they have to go through Canadian universities all over to requalify to protect their own staff, like doctors for example. Canadian doctors (like mine for example) work 3 times a fucking week and make 300k because the system is so fucked, while immigrant with degrees can't even enroll in university again because they force them to start from year 1, which requires a high school transcript, oh wait, guess what, if u graduated 20 years ago from a high school in who knows where the fuck where, who's going to keep your transcript.

Special interest don't give a fuck. So let Harper bring this program, more taxi drivers fighting on the streets. Probably Polish ones now. They can fight it out with the Indians and Somalians.

[CommanderSock]

To add to that

http://www.engineerscanada.ca/e/imm_incanada_1.cfm

Here's a good example. When you come to Canada, to practice 'engineering' you need to become licensed all over??!!! What the fuck is that kind of bullshit!?

It's to protect the small elite groups from outside competition.

Companies should be able to hire anyone they want, if they can do the job. One reason why Canadian advanced manufacturing firms are so fucked, or non existent.

$1:

WORKING IN CANADA BEFORE BEING LICENSED

Applicants can work as engineers only if a licensed professional engineer takes responsibility for the work. In Canada, it is illegal for non-licensed engineers to approve engineering drawings or reports, use the title "professional engineer" or any variation of it, or in any way offer engineering services to the public.

While a licence application is in progress, applicants may wish to register as an Engineer-in-Training (EIT) with their local association to receive advice and guidance on the nature of required engineering experience.

Most other technical work (i.e. work not considered professional engineering) may be performed by non-licensed engineers without restriction, but it may be restricted by other legislation, including Architecture or Land Surveyors Act.

Fuck that bullshit, as far as I'm concerned, if I'm hiring an engineer, I'm hiring the best proven. If I see good proven track record, he can pass my company exam, completed past projects and the required credentials from their own country, I'm hiring, fuck this limit bullshit.

**wipes sweat off face in anger and spits on the ground**

[Bruce_the_vii]

I saw an article that stated that the problem in engineering was oversupply, not regulation. The article also stated that the immigration department is importing large numbers of engineers, that they make up a good portion of the immigrants with degrees.

Everything is regulated, my boy. In the modern economy there's standards everywhere to protect the customers, us the citizens. You can't sell popcorn on the street without a license. This hysteria about immigrants running into qualification standards is misplaced, like it's news their are standards in Canada. Anyway it's more political to train Canadian youth to be engineers because parents want their children to grow up, go to college and university and have a nice life. Unfortunately few politicians really gettit, life itself.

[CommanderSock]

Bruce_the_vii Bruce_the_vii:

I saw an article that stated that the problem in engineering was oversupply, not regulation. The article also stated that the immigration department is importing large numbers of engineers, that they make up a good portion of the immigrants with degrees.

Everything is regulated, my boy. In the modern economy there's standards everywhere to protect the customers, us the citizens. You can't sell popcorn on the street without a license. This hysteria about immigrants running into qualification standards is misplaced, like it's news their are standards in Canada. Anyway it's more political to train Canadian youth to be engineers because parents want their children to grow up, go to college and university and have a nice life. Unfortunately few politicians really gettit, life itself.

If there is oversupply so be it! I hire the best man who will do it for the cheapest.

I know there is regulation everywhere, that's why some of our industries are so stratified. I know this because my company has great difficulty hiring people that can do the job, but require a bunch of bullshit clearances to actually practice something that as far as they're concerned is between our clients, ourselves and the employee.

[kenmore]

Only the best and skilled should be allowed in. We have enough Shwarma shops and flower sellers. And only immediate family should be allowed in. If you cant work and contribute you dont come.end of story.

[kenmore]

The myth that has been accepted as fact. that there are hundreds of doctors and other university educated immigrants is just that. the fast track of doctors from other countries in Ontario isnt exactly overflowing. As a nurse who works with alot of immigrant med school students there is much lacking, especially in language skills. Many fail because of comprhension.. a rose isnt always a rose..

[dog77_1999]

CommanderSock CommanderSock:

To add to that

http://www.engineerscanada.ca/e/imm_incanada_1.cfm

Here's a good example. When you come to Canada, to practice 'engineering' you need to become licensed all over??!!! What the fuck is that kind of bullshit!?

It's to protect the small elite groups from outside competition.

Companies should be able to hire anyone they want, if they can do the job. One reason why Canadian advanced manufacturing firms are so fucked, or non existent.

$1:

WORKING IN CANADA BEFORE BEING LICENSED

Applicants can work as engineers only if a licensed professional engineer takes responsibility for the work. In Canada, it is illegal for non-licensed engineers to approve engineering drawings or reports, use the title "professional engineer" or any variation of it, or in any way offer engineering services to the public.

While a licence application is in progress, applicants may wish to register as an Engineer-in-Training (EIT) with their local association to receive advice and guidance on the nature of required engineering experience.

Most other technical work (i.e. work not considered professional engineering) may be performed by non-licensed engineers without restriction, but it may be restricted by other legislation, including Architecture or Land Surveyors Act.

Fuck that bullshit, as far as I'm concerned, if I'm hiring an engineer, I'm hiring the best proven. If I see good proven track record, he can pass my company exam, completed past projects and the required credentials from their own country, I'm hiring, fuck this limit bullshit.

**wipes sweat off face in anger and spits on the ground**

This is the equivilent of a doctor getting licensed to practiced medicine. The PE sets a uniform standard so that smooth talking guy from who knows where univiersity designs or does something that harms the public. The reason why Canadian engineers don't need it is because they enrolled in schools that have been approved by the PE board. The cirriculums get auditted all the time to ensure they meet the same standards.

Letting anyone in like that would lower the standards. I don't think it is too much for them to go through the same licensing process as any other Canadian engineer though.