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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:54 am
 


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We have to keep the terrorist myth going. There've been no attacks in Canada. We can't have people asking whether the threat was overrated from the start. Good on the National Post for keeping the fear alive!


Awesome to see that the indoctrination of schools of pure hatred and second class status of Christians and Jews doesn't matter to you. You didn't even read the article I'll assume?


Do you also have a big "WHITE POWER" flag hanging in your house somewhere? Maybe in a window, or over the fireplace?


Awesome, and you don't even apologize after releasing that shit. Very nice.

Yeah I was referring to North America...when, Holy shit look at that, the article was about SAUDI ARABIA.


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how did you even associate skin colour with this issue??


Who, me? It was because of the perceived insistence that two particular groups of people that are not exactly a minority, much less ones that are oppressed, being described that way.


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no surprises but we're just supposed to turn the other cheek and pretend none of this exists.[/quote

You are right mtbr.. Christians are taught to turn the other cheek... so when these guys hate you and assault you you turn the other cheek so they can slice the juglar on the other side..


Wasnt it the cristians who first attacked the muslims before the crusades?


Not really. From about 700 AD to 1000 AD Muslims destroyed or ethnically cleansed most of the old Roman-era Christian settlements that existed in the Middle East and North Africa. So if you're looking for who drew the historical first blood it was definitely the Muslims. Taking back Spain from the Christians remains on the list of Osama Bin Laden's Top Ten Reasons for behaving like the terrific guy he is.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:33 am
 


commanderkai commanderkai:
Zipperfish Zipperfish:
We have to keep the terrorist myth going. There've been no attacks in Canada. We can't have people asking whether the threat was overrated from the start. Good on the National Post for keeping the fear alive!


Awesome to see that the indoctrination of schools of pure hatred and second class status of Christians and Jews doesn't matter to you. You didn't even read the article I'll assume?


Then, as per usual, you assume wrongly. I did read the article. However you are correct: as neither a Christian or Jew, it really doesn't matter to me.

Why do you--and the National Post--care so much about what is being taught in schools in some backward religiously conservative backward society half way across the world? Is it becasue you are being taught that Islamic terrorism is an actual threat to Canada, in exactly the same way they are being taught that other religions are sub-human?

You're both victims of propaganda.


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Not really. From about 700 AD to 1000 AD Muslims destroyed or ethnically cleansed most of the old Roman-era Christian settlements that existed in the Middle East and North Africa. So if you're looking for who drew the historical first blood it was definitely the Muslims. Taking back Spain from the Christians remains on the list of Osama Bin Laden's Top Ten Reasons for behaving like the terrific guy he is.


No I'm pretty sure that Paulos the Christian hit Mohummadus the Muslim's house with an egg in 699 AD. So the Christians were the instigators. :lol:

Who are you kidding? This is a throuoghly modern conflict.


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No I'm pretty sure that Paulos the Christian hit Mohummadus the Muslim's house with an egg in 699 AD. So the Christians were the instigators. :lol:


It was probably a pig or dog turd instead of an egg. :lol:

Stay on topic.

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I'm not saying it's right for either side - I'm just saying

Excerpts from a study by Daniel Bar-Tal, professor of political psychology at Tel Aviv University.

The Arab Image in Hebrew School Textbooks
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Only after 1930, as the violent conflict escalated, did there appear detailed references to Arabs, describing them uniformly as "robbers, vandals, primitives and easily incited"

The most frequent presentation of Arabs was as "the enemy," no mention being made of their national aspiration, of the context of conflict between two national movements.

Arabs were presented, for example, as "human savages," "bloodthirsty," "gangs of murderers," "infiltrators and terrorists," or "robbers."

The great majority of the books stereotype Arabs negatively wherever they are referred to. Positive stereotyping is an exception.

In all, the Arabs are portrayed as aggressors, leading to their delegitimization as a "mob," "bloodthirsty," "murderers," "inhuman enemy," or "rioters."


source: http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=884

It should also be noted that the hate contained in the Saudi textbooks applies equally to non-Wahabist sects, such as Sunni and Shia (found in Iran and Iraq, for example).


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ziggy ziggy:
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no surprises but we're just supposed to turn the other cheek and pretend none of this exists.[/quote

You are right mtbr.. Christians are taught to turn the other cheek... so when these guys hate you and assault you you turn the other cheek so they can slice the juglar on the other side..


Wasnt it the cristians who first attacked the muslims before the crusades?


No Ziggy the muslims killed almost every Christian in the Medditerranean area and the only survivors were Parts of Germany and Briton. They didn't start the Crusades until a few hundred years later.


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It should also be noted that the hate contained in the Saudi textbooks applies equally to non-Wahabist sects, such as Sunni and Shia (found in Iran and Iraq, for example).


You make some very valid points, the Israelis hadn't reformed as a nation and until they did they were spread all over Europe and the Soviet Union and North Africa. That date on that paper was during a time where they (Zionists) where trying to make plans to unilaterally announce the forming of their own Nation in their traditional Homeland. Which didn't happen as you know until 1949. Up until that point they were being persecuted in the Middle East by the arabs and hence the teachings.

BUT WHAT STRIKES ME THE MOST HERE IS the Wahhabists want everyone dead that aren't living the Sharia form of Islam, even other Muslims. This is a Two Thousand year old war for them and something new for us. They are fighting for a Religeous utopia, we are fighting to stop that goal.

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Doesn't it seem odd to you that almost all the current conflicts in the world are caused by or involve Muslims???????


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Only after 1930, as the violent conflict escalated, did there appear detailed references to Arabs, describing them uniformly as "robbers, vandals, primitives and easily incited"

The most frequent presentation of Arabs was as "the enemy," no mention being made of their national aspiration, of the context of conflict between two national movements.

Arabs were presented, for example, as "human savages," "bloodthirsty," "gangs of murderers," "infiltrators and terrorists," or "robbers."

The great majority of the books stereotype Arabs negatively wherever they are referred to. Positive stereotyping is an exception.

In all, the Arabs are portrayed as aggressors, leading to their delegitimization as a "mob," "bloodthirsty," "murderers," "inhuman enemy," or "rioters."


In this case the old saying "if the shoe fits" is accurate.

This type of hate is ingrained in their religion and culture, so to assume that because they've got links to America, they're going to stop these teaching is pretty simplistic of us.

With the three large Muslim religions in the Middle east vying for supremacy, the whole region is likely to remain unstable for centuries to come, with each sect carrying out Jihads against us and the other two.

I'd like to feel sorry for the common people who live there, but I can't. Their philosophies and views of religion, tolerance and the world are so different from ours, that they are what can only be described as a clear and present danger to our whole way of life and this articles proves that.


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Then, as per usual, you assume wrongly. I did read the article. However you are correct: as neither a Christian or Jew, it really doesn't matter to me.


Yes of course, because I'm not one of the groups dehumanized, I don't care! Brilliant argument. You know what? We should rewrite all the history textbooks in Canada to completely ignore what we did to the Aboriginals, I'm not one, so what does it matter to me? We rounded up Japanese during World War II and held them without trial, taking away their property and not compensating for it, but who cares? I'm not Japanese.

See how stupid that sounds? Just because its not you affected by the going-ons of anywhere in the world, domestic or foreign, we shouldn't care?Just because you are not a part of the afflicted group, does not mean that we should just ignore when so and so group when they're being dehumanized somewhere else in the world.

Also, my assumption can be easily made by your original post, which was almost completely off topic on the article at hand.

$1:
Why do you--and the National Post--care so much about what is being taught in schools in some backward religiously conservative backward society half way across the world? Is it becasue you are being taught that Islamic terrorism is an actual threat to Canada, in exactly the same way they are being taught that other religions are sub-human?

You're both victims of propaganda.


Lol, victims of propaganda. I'm sorry, using the reason that "Well that shit hasn't happened here, IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE" argument is illogical. Its the same thinking of Stalin in World War Two. Hitler broke the pact? He can't do that even though shitloads of other treaties have been broken in the waves of history.

I'm sorry, thinking that "Oooh the terrorists love us, they would never attack Canada cause we're peaceful and lovey dovey" and all that bullshit just makes you look like you bought into the propaganda of the extreme left of Canada.

You can't isolated yourself from the world. If state A is oppressing group A, you should take note before something really bad happens. But I'm glad you're more than content of seeing that another generation of Saudi children is taught hatred of Christians and Jews, because there's like, absolutely no way those Saudis can come here, directly or indirectly. Impossible. :roll:


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ziggy ziggy:
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no surprises but we're just supposed to turn the other cheek and pretend none of this exists.[/quote

You are right mtbr.. Christians are taught to turn the other cheek... so when these guys hate you and assault you you turn the other cheek so they can slice the juglar on the other side..


Wasnt it the cristians who first attacked the muslims before the crusades?


There have always been religious wars.. doesn't mean its right.. isn't time to move on..? They keep the hate ball rolling and they bring that bullshit with them when they come here..


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:49 pm
 


Well we all know that Christianity(or the powers that were, that claimed to be Christian) didn't have a lily white past, but unlike Islam it has learned that conversion by the word rather than by the sword is a little more in line with practicing what you preach.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:58 pm
 


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Yes of course, because I'm not one of the groups dehumanized, I don't care! Brilliant argument. You know what? We should rewrite all the history textbooks in Canada to completely ignore what we did to the Aboriginals, I'm not one, so what does it matter to me? We rounded up Japanese during World War II and held them without trial, taking away their property and not compensating for it, but who cares? I'm not Japanese.

See how stupid that sounds? Just because its not you affected by the going-ons of anywhere in the world, domestic or foreign, we shouldn't care?Just because you are not a part of the afflicted group, does not mean that we should just ignore when so and so group when they're being dehumanized somewhere else in the world.

Also, my assumption can be easily made by your original post, which was almost completely off topic on the article at hand.


The examples you gave involved Canada, so they would in fact concern me more. What Saudi children are learning half way around the world is of less concern to me. Besides, I don't see much tolerance of Muslims on here by the conservative element. Why are you so surprised the feeling is reciprocated, especially given all the wars involving the Middle East and the West? It's like if you don't like someone and that you get offended that they don't like you.

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Lol, victims of propaganda. I'm sorry, using the reason that "Well that shit hasn't happened here, IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE" argument is illogical. Its the same thinking of Stalin in World War Two. Hitler broke the pact? He can't do that even though shitloads of other treaties have been broken in the waves of history.

I'm sorry, thinking that "Oooh the terrorists love us, they would never attack Canada cause we're peaceful and lovey dovey" and all that bullshit just makes you look like you bought into the propaganda of the extreme left of Canada.

You can't isolated yourself from the world. If state A is oppressing group A, you should take note before something really bad happens. But I'm glad you're more than content of seeing that another generation of Saudi children is taught hatred of Christians and Jews, because there's like, absolutely no way those Saudis can come here, directly or indirectly. Impossible. :roll:


Well, if you're trying to make your contempt palpable, your'e doing a good job. However, there's a lot of people that feel the ame way I do, and your derision won't change that. It just deomonstrates your inflexible inability to see other peoples' points of view.

I've done the risk assessment, logically. I have determined that the odds of me or my family dying in a terrorist attack are infintessimally small. Therefore I do not see the point of a global military campaign against terror that ijnvolves invading and occupying a bunch of countries. I don't think the terrorists "love" us, nor do I discount the chance of an attack on Canadian soil. However, I don't think they are anywhere close to the threat presented to us. Osama bin Laden lives in cave. Afghanistan is practically in the stone age. I'm supposed to believe they present some kind of real threat to Canada's national security--I mean a real threat, not some lucky bombing that knocks off a couple of hundred civilians once every decade or two. I'm talking about an existential threat to Canada. I don't think so.

The terrorists were just an excuse for expanding American global hegemony and projecting military power in the Middle East. Iraq, which had bugger all to do with terrorism, certainly demonstrated that. The fact that Pakistan--whihc sold nuclear weapons to rogue states--and Saudi Arabia--where the hijackers were all from--remain allies of the US also demonstrates this.

This isn't a secret. Read, for example, the piece by Condoleeza Rice in the latest Foreign Policy and you can see that it is, in fact, official policy of the US to expand its influence globally, militarily if necessary. Also, I've read some history, particularly British rule of Palestine and Iraq and American operations in Iran--so I do not assume the benificence of the US.

And that's where the propaganda lies--in assuming that the US only conquers, kills, occupies, imprisons and tortures for "good." Or in the assumption that a nation that has been at war more times and has invaded more nations than virtually any other is "peaceful." It's power, pure and simple. Power at the point of the gun--as true for Osama bin Laden as it is for George W. Bush.

In my opinion anyways.


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