[dino_bobba_renno]

Streaker Streaker:

I see nothing but positive repercussions coming from a 2009 pullout: If we do pull out, maybe NATO allies will be less inclined to take Canada for granted in the future.

Positive for whom? Canada? Nato? Surely not the Afghan people. The debate over “should we be there are not” is long over my friend. We’re there now and like it or not it’s our moral responsibility to not just “cut and run” simply because our Nation suffers from a collective attention deficit disorder. You can’t just walk into a country and stir things up and then walk away with the attitude that it’s not our problem. Can you honestly tell me that the Afghan army or its police forces are ready to take over the security roles of the county? The country would more than likely be plunged into total anarchy if we left at this point. It would be nothing less than shameful.

[sasquatch2]

kenmore wrote:

$1:

"we" are never going to win this war.. its not our war its the US war.. they fucked up in Iraq, Vietnam, Korea,, and they are losing the so called war on terrorism.. the middle east is its own worst enemy and this is heightened by their religious beliefs... Canada should pullout and leave the country to re-establish itself.. any form of financial aid will not go to the people of Afhanistan.. just like Iraq... we are being hood winked by the bush administration and because of Harpers close ties.. we are involved.....

Workers of the world unite.

Your last experiment finally failed in 1990.

Oh yeah! Dion although not the government----nearly started a war with Pakistan. Regardless how you flail about---he did.

BTW----the art of diplomacy:

How to say "nice doggie" while you reach for a rock.

[kenmore]

if you think "we" as you say are going to win this war... you are badly in need of an anti psychotic medication... Dion did not almost get us into a war... he is (for now) leader of the opposition. it wouldnt be up to him.. he made a suggestion that Pakistan needs to be dealt with and it does.. in Afhanistan "we" are spinning our wheels.. these people do no not want help from the west.. they are buried in thousands of years of beliefs that are totally contrary to western culture.. so what benefit do we get out of being there.. other than Harper getting bonus points from george Wya...... so I hope there is a no confidence vote on the budget... that will bring em down....

[sasquatch2]

Various types counseled against the D-day landings and before they were locked up, whinned about the imminent defeat in the battle for France. We looked the defeatists up the nazi's shot them.

Leonidas had his LIBRANOs/NDP to deal with too.

[dino_bobba_renno]

kenmore kenmore:

if you think "we" as you say are going to win this war... you are badly in need of an anti psychotic medication....

This isn't about winning or losing. It's about living up to our commitments. We went into Afghanistan and toppled their government and stirred up a sh.. storm at the same time. I don't see how anyone can suggest that we pull out until their government is strong enough to stand on its own. How long will that take? God only knows but we owe it to the Afghan people to remain until we've achieved certain objectives. What those objectives might be is a matter for discussion.

[ridenrain]

The cause and purpose is just as important now than it was back when Chretien sent our troops in. I don't like how he did it, with little public notice but then that's the lapdog media for ya.

[sasquatch2]

dino_bobba_renno

$1:

We went into Afghanistan and toppled their government and stirred up a sh.. storm at the same time.

Define WE!

Canada's involvement came AFTER the Northern Alliance defeated the Taliban.

Another leftie myth like OBL & the Taliban fighting the Russians

[Streaker]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Streaker Streaker:

I see nothing but positive repercussions coming from a 2009 pullout: If we do pull out, maybe NATO allies will be less inclined to take Canada for granted in the future.

Positive for whom? Canada? Nato? Surely not the Afghan people. The debate over “should we be there are not” is long over my friend.

In a democracy the debate never ends, and debate on this issue is anything but over in Canada, despite your wishful thinking.

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

We’re there now and like it or not it’s our moral responsibility to not just “cut and run” simply because our Nation suffers from a collective attention deficit disorder. You can’t just walk into a country and stir things up and then walk away with the attitude that it’s not our problem. Can you honestly tell me that the Afghan army or its police forces are ready to take over the security roles of the county? The country would more than likely be plunged into total anarchy if we left at this point. It would be nothing less than shameful.

A convenient excuse for a neverending war in Afghanistan. This is how nations fall into quagmires.

If you feel so guilty about what we've done there I would propose paying them reparations - and then getting the hell out.

Afghanistan is a bag that should be left for the Americans to hold.

[ridenrain]

Like Korea is a quagmire?

It's strange how the more successful we get, the louder some call for surender.
Please note that there are 4 phases to this map, and they show the plan for the mission. There is no note saying that Harper has unleashed the Canadian army, or any directive signalling a change from rebuilding to attacking.

[Scape]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

This isn't about winning or losing. It's about living up to our commitments. We went into Afghanistan and toppled their government and stirred up a sh.. storm at the same time. I don't see how anyone can suggest that we pull out until their government is strong enough to stand on its own.

The UK would have a few lessons to relay about nation building and quagmires. Laurence of Arabia comes to mind. back then the UK was into colonialism of course but even then they were there with the intent of a 'greater good' and even though we are not there to colonize Afghanistan we are installing a steward government that is both corrupt and anemic that is powerless to combat the current narco economy that is feeding the insurgency. The lesson for the UK experience is clear, nation building is no simple matter and throwing money at the problem only postpones the inevitable. Without clear objectives and strong local support such tasks are prone to bog down and fail.

[kenmore]

they will neve win in afghanistan... russia couldnt and the US wont..
its a waste of time and money...

[kenmore]

thats never win .... fucking keyboard

[dino_bobba_renno]

Streaker Streaker:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Streaker Streaker:

I see nothing but positive repercussions coming from a 2009 pullout: If we do pull out, maybe NATO allies will be less inclined to take Canada for granted in the future.

Positive for whom? Canada? Nato? Surely not the Afghan people. The debate over “should we be there are not” is long over my friend.

In a democracy the debate never ends, and debate on this issue is anything but over in Canada, despite your wishful thinking.

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

We’re there now and like it or not it’s our moral responsibility to not just “cut and run” simply because our Nation suffers from a collective attention deficit disorder. You can’t just walk into a country and stir things up and then walk away with the attitude that it’s not our problem. Can you honestly tell me that the Afghan army or its police forces are ready to take over the security roles of the county? The country would more than likely be plunged into total anarchy if we left at this point. It would be nothing less than shameful.

A convenient excuse for a neverending war in Afghanistan. This is how nations fall into quagmires.

If you feel so guilty about what we've done there I would propose paying them reparations - and then getting the hell out.

Afghanistan is a bag that should be left for the Americans to hold.

Your right that the debate over “when to pull out” should never end and yes, why we got into it in the first place plays an important role when asking this but I’m only trying to point out that we all ready have troops on the group there which are playing a very important role in stabilizing the country. You can pay the Afghan government all you want but I can’t see as how it will do any good if the country doesn’t have a stable government which will put it to positive use. As for the Americans, well it was actually Nato who got us into this in the first place, maybe they should be asked if this should continue and if they say yes then we should be asking what they are prepared to contribute to the mission in order for it to do so.

[sasquatch2]

The only shinning hope the Taliban/Al Qaida have left is the encouragement from our leftist, defeatist, counter culture. Want to get us out of Afghanistan sooner than later? Easy! STFU.