[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

What's wrong, Derby? Can't hide or distort the fact that Chretien put us there, and that many Liberals still support the mission? Dion is clawing to turn Chretien's war into Harper's war but those nasty little facts keep getting in the way.

Our Afghan friends must be shaking their heads right now. Fight starts in 2002 and no one in government cares enough to come see them, except when Harper, McKay and the Conservatives show up. Here's the leader of the country who's carrying the heavy load, talking to the Afghan president, the Afghan people and, most importantly, the Canadian troops. That's what leadership looks like.

Now along come these lackeys, from the party that started the mission in the first place, saying that times up and because it's dosen't play well with the voters back home. All those hollow words of help and support were just another broken Liberal lie.

Whats the matter. Can't have Harper stand up and take responsibility?

Afghan allies?

Considering that on every other thread you guys cry about how the real problem is islam and not any particular gov't I wonder just how far our allies will go for us.

All your bleating about how Harper is a responsible leader is just that. Bleating. He hasn't accepted responsibility for the war or anything else. He just shrugs his sholders and blames the Liberals for everything.

We need strong leadership that isn't afraid to tell the afghans its their fucking countrry and its time they take responsibility for running it.

Now as a con I understand you don't really know what responsibility is as you won't accept any.

Bushs war, and its bushs war, was never meant to be an occupation. It was meant to capture OBL and he failed. We were never meant to be there until forever but you just can't figure that out can you?

"until the job is done". Is just a BS axiom by people who do not understand that it will never be done by their standards.

You just keep trying to pass the buck and vilify the Liberals for both not visiting and for visiting.

Not once have you or Harper ever stood up and said "I will accept responsibility" for Afghanistan or anything else.



Off you go now. On Yer Bike.

[ridenrain]

Once again, we see the lefts inability to recognise the passage of time. Right after Harper was elected, all of the problems became his, like Chalk river, Softwood Lumber and even Chretien's war in Afghanistan. I guess if we take the blame, we get the rewards, like the economy.

Liberals put Canada in the Afghan war, and I'm on record saying that it was the right thing to do. Their mix of fighting and rebuilding was well thought out and the right way to fight this war. I want to see other dirtbag NATO countries help us out but we should be ready to stay as long as we're needed.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Once again, we see the lefts inability to recognise the passage of time. Right after Harper was elected, all of the problems became his, like Chalk river, Softwood Lumber and even Chretien's war in Afghanistan. I guess if we take the blame, we get the rewards, like the economy.

Liberals put Canada in the Afghan war, and I'm on record saying that it was the right thing to do. Their mix of fighting and rebuilding was well thought out and the right way to fight this war. I want to see other dirtbag NATO countries help us out but we should be ready to stay as long as we're needed.

Once again the self righteous righties fail to understand what responsibility means.

Harper became responsible for Aghanistan because its his decision that the troops remain there and his decision to extend their tenure.

Its his responsibility for Chalk River because he knew about it and unlike the Liberals made no attempt to fix it and in fact appointed a crony instead of a properly trained and responsible person to deal with it. The problem then went critical under his leadership and nence his responsibility.

Softwood? Nobody blamed Harper for the problem but we did point out that his solution was an already inked Liberal deal.

Chretiens war? Fail. Bushs war and just as legitimately Hilliers war.

Economy? Harper doesn't get credit for creating the surplus thats for damn sure. he didn't have to make any tough decisions to achieve it. In fact he hasn't had to make any real decisions beyond ordering lunch in the HOC cafeteria so he certainly doesn't get to reap the accolades. He does get to reap the rewards tjhough in the form of a larger surplus and what he does with that surplus he gets full credit for.

BTW, full credit for means responsibility.

[EyeBrock]

kenmore kenmore:

spitting on them would be mild compared to what I hear from the military in town here..they would like to do to Stevie

Now I'm not going to go partisan on this.

I think it's good that HM Loyal opposition are out visiting the troops. They will have been received politely I'm sure.
But don't be mislead, I would say 90% of serving sailors, soldiers and airmen vote Conservative.

That's the way it's always been so I think you are a bit full of shit kenmore.

Just like teachers mostly vote Liberal or NDP, cops and military guys mostly vote right of centre. It’s the make-up of those who sign the dotted line to serve their country.

Having killed the contents of a few cases of beer off with mates of mine on leave from Afghanistan I can tell you that the guys I have spoken to will be voting for Harper next time too.

Not very scientific but I did do 10 years in the regular military so I think I can make an educated comment on this.

[ridenrain]

$1:

"It has taken more than a year after becoming Liberal leader for Stéphane Dion to finally find Afghanistan on the map," Helena Guergis, secretary of state for foreign affairs, said in a statement Saturday.

"The irony of Dion and Iggy being in a war zone and being protected by the same troops who protect Afghan women and children is palpable," Ms. Guergis said.

"I think he should apologize to our troops while he is touring the PRT (Provincial Reconstruction Team) in safety because the same reason he needs bodyguards is why our troops need to stay to protect democracy, women and children," she added.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... istan/home

[Alta_redneck]

It looked pretty sad when Dion showed up at the outdoor rink in Kandahar today, and after waiting by the boards he had to walk out to center ice and interrupt the game to get someone to shake his hand for the cameras..

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

$1:

"It has taken more than a year after becoming Liberal leader for Stéphane Dion to finally find Afghanistan on the map," Helena Guergis, secretary of state for foreign affairs, said in a statement Saturday.

"The irony of Dion and Iggy being in a war zone and being protected by the same troops who protect Afghan women and children is palpable," Ms. Guergis said.

"I think he should apologize to our troops while he is touring the PRT (Provincial Reconstruction Team) in safety because the same reason he needs bodyguards is why our troops need to stay to protect democracy, women and children," she added.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ ... istan/home

ya. A newspaper article from a piss-poor paper spouting the same sentiment you do is not proof of anything except hypocracy.

In the same article it attacks Dion for not visiting immediately after becoming party leader they attack him for visiting.

The CPC visits and they are hailed as heroes for caring to visit yet when somebody else does it the standard response is to attack them for visiting.

Then the moment they leave they criticize them for not visiting.

[Schleihauf]

I'd like to hear what Karzai said to them.

[PluggyRug]

Schleihauf Schleihauf:

I'd like to hear what Karzai said to them.

Thats easy....

Mr Dion...if you could stay awhile, we have many schools teaching English.

[ridenrain]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Schleihauf Schleihauf:

I'd like to hear what Karzai said to them.

Thats easy....

Mr Dion...if you could stay awhile, we have many schools teaching English.

That is funny!

[ryan29]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Once again, we see the lefts inability to recognise the passage of time. Right after Harper was elected, all of the problems became his, like Chalk river, Softwood Lumber and even Chretien's war in Afghanistan. I guess if we take the blame, we get the rewards, like the economy.

Liberals put Canada in the Afghan war, and I'm on record saying that it was the right thing to do. Their mix of fighting and rebuilding was well thought out and the right way to fight this war. I want to see other dirtbag NATO countries help us out but we should be ready to stay as long as we're needed.

thats pretty much what happened , liberals were quick to distance themselves from anything that happened during there time in government . and now its all someone else fault .

[EyeBrock]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Schleihauf Schleihauf:

I'd like to hear what Karzai said to them.

Thats easy....

Mr Dion...if you could stay awhile, we have many schools teaching English.

That is funny!

[MGX]

Stephen Harper is quickly becoming a do nothing prime minister.

[2Cdo]

kenmore kenmore:

spitting on them would be mild compared to what I hear from the military in town here..they would like to do to Stevie

Kenmore in another thread you mentioned something about research work at Queens university. If that is true, you reside around the Kingston area. I live in Kingston and am in the military, albeit as a retired reservist, and from my observations your post is utter shit. The vast majority of military members that I have dealt with in the Kingston area fully support both the PM and the war in Afghanistan. Overall, in the 20+ years in the Forces I would easily say that the majority of service members support the Conservatives. Before you ramble on about Liberal support, of course some members do support the Liberals, although that number is far smalller than the Tories. Some even support the NDP and the Bloc.

But maybe you can PM me the names of these people wishing bad things upon the PM, as advocating violence upon him would constitute a crime under the National Defence Act.

Again, your post reeks of pure, unwashed bullshit.

[Tricks]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

kenmore kenmore:

spitting on them would be mild compared to what I hear from the military in town here..they would like to do to Stevie

Kenmore in another thread you mentioned something about research work at Queens university. If that is true, you reside around the Kingston area. I live in Kingston and am in the military, albeit as a retired reservist, and from my observations your post is utter shit. The vast majority of military members that I have dealt with in the Kingston area fully support both the PM and the war in Afghanistan. Overall, in the 20+ years in the Forces I would easily say that the majority of service members support the Conservatives. Before you ramble on about Liberal support, of course some members do support the Liberals, although that number is far smalller than the Tories. Some even support the NDP and the Bloc.

But maybe you can PM me the names of these people wishing bad things upon the PM, as advocating violence upon him would constitute a crime under the National Defence Act.

Again, your post reeks of pure, unwashed bullshit.

Probably Winnipegger.