[ShepherdsDog]

So we should pull out of African operations too, based on your stand. Let them starve, they only breed more mouths to feed. Good thing, I couldn't see the uselessness of my time in Somalia.

[Scape]

I just don't want our troops ending up being bouncers in a bar where the patrons use IUD's and the bouncers the US outsource are payed ten times as much and are bound by no rules at all.

I don't like that we are propping up an islamist-narco state that has made it a crime to be Christian there. I don't see how schools that we have built that can't be attended are going to change that. I have no idea how not standing up to the unbelievable amount of corruption and instead paying for it ourselves has made this a better place.

I support this cause. I think it is noble and worthwhile but the people who started it and are in large part still setting the tone of how the rules of engagement are to be established couldn't lead ants to a picnic and have left Karzi no option but to demand the US to stop bombing. At some point we have to weigh the options and we need to know the people who have our backs really do have our backs. Right now I am not convinced of that at all.

[Streaker]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

So we should pull out of African operations too, based on your stand. Let them starve, they only breed more mouths to feed. Good thing, I couldn't see the uselessness of my time in Somalia.

Well...... It's not like our time in Somalia was a raging success.

Beyond that, it becomes a question of whether or not, on balance, any good is being done in A-stan. So far I've heard conflicting reports and opinions on that.

[sasquatch2]

Streaker

$1:

Well...... It's not like our time in Somalia was a raging success.

Only if you believe UN propaganda.

The US mission in Somalia was working reasonably well---aid was getting to the interior...

The the US mission was taken over by the UN who promptly attempted to marginalize Aideed in favour of their favourites and the crap hit the fan----result BLACKHAWK DOWN.

The mistake the US made was not leaving and remaining to support the UN mission. If the US had left, then perhaps a bunch of Swedes would have been dragged dead through the streets. But as usual the winners whine but send no troops.....Wadda ya do.....

[PENATRATOR]

Well Streak, I guess it is easy to call this a waste of time, and that nothing is being accomplished from the comfort of your parents basement. I invite you to pull a Dennis Codderre and fly on over here to see for yourself, don't be like Dennis though and come in with the plan that no matter what you see, you will not change your mind, and unlike Dennis, make plans to actually leave the Base so you can see all the kids smiling on their way to and from school, given the statistics that I printed, I really find it odd ANYBODY can call the work of the people here on the ground a waste of time. Winning a war against an enemy that moves amongst the population, with no uniform is not an easy one, nor can it be a quick one, unless you have no concern for collateral damage which although all attempts are made to minimize, can not always be done, the Terrorists choose the terrain here. The three guys killed here in the last two months died retaking territory already fought and paid for by Canadian troops last year, the local Afghans were given the Canadian won territory to hold, which they promply lost, so obviously, they are not ready to stand on their own just yet. If you would like to cut and run, so the Taliban can regain power, slaughter any Afghan who sided with NATO because they wanted something so selfish as their families being able to live free like we do. With NATO gone, the Taliban would be free to allow terrorist training camps to reopen, and we'd be back were we started. Though Jack Layton would be happy I guess.
Yep, waste of time being here.

[WesterCharcoal]

Give it to them Penatrator!

Don't make the Mistake the USA made in Vietnam. 3 million Vietnamese and Cambodians died as an immediate result of the USA withdrawl from that conflict. Sure the fighting was hard, and progress hard to measure, but cut and run didn't show it'self to be a solution there.

[HyperionTheEvil]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

$1:

Yes, but not so long ago she'd be dead.

No offense, but that's pretty weak, dude. I'd hardly call it signficant progress(or even progress at all) if we've gone from sure death to having it be around every possible corner.

Like the ussual Liberal reponses about terrorism. they expected the Taliban to meekly walk away. Im wouldnt be surprised if the overall Liberal plan for Afghanistan was for the Liberal and NDP to bunch up with the remians of the Natural Law party to hire a bunch of Yogic Flyers to spread the love by crosiing thier legs and hoppoing around like idiots and expecting Afghanistan to turn into Switzerland overnight.

We're there , the Afghans appreciate us being there and want us there. Were doing the job, but it takes more than the soft words and folk songs of the Left to give Afgans the democracy they deserve


No offense dude.

[Streaker]

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

Streaker

$1:

Well...... It's not like our time in Somalia was a raging success.

Only if you believe UN propaganda.

The US mission in Somalia was working reasonably well---aid was getting to the interior...

The the US mission was taken over by the UN who promptly attempted to marginalize Aideed in favour of their favourites and the crap hit the fan----result BLACKHAWK DOWN.

The mistake the US made was not leaving and remaining to support the UN mission. If the US had left, then perhaps a bunch of Swedes would have been dragged dead through the streets. But as usual the winners whine but send no troops.....Wadda ya do.....

I was referring to the Canadian mission in Somalia, samsquantch.

[Streaker]

WesterCharcoal WesterCharcoal:

Give it to them Penatrator!

Don't make the Mistake the USA made in Vietnam. 3 million Vietnamese and Cambodians died as an immediate result of the USA withdrawl from that conflict. Sure the fighting was hard, and progress hard to measure, but cut and run didn't show it'self to be a solution there.

If western nations had never butted in in the first place maybe those three million and many more wouldn't have died.

[Streaker]

PENATRATOR PENATRATOR:

Well Streak, I guess it is easy to call this a waste of time, and that nothing is being accomplished from the comfort of your parents basement. I invite you to pull a Dennis Codderre and fly on over here to see for yourself, don't be like Dennis though and come in with the plan that no matter what you see, you will not change your mind, and unlike Dennis, make plans to actually leave the Base so you can see all the kids smiling on their way to and from school, given the statistics that I printed, I really find it odd ANYBODY can call the work of the people here on the ground a waste of time. Winning a war against an enemy that moves amongst the population, with no uniform is not an easy one, nor can it be a quick one, unless you have no concern for collateral damage which although all attempts are made to minimize, can not always be done, the Terrorists choose the terrain here. The three guys killed here in the last two months died retaking territory already fought and paid for by Canadian troops last year, the local Afghans were given the Canadian won territory to hold, which they promply lost, so obviously, they are not ready to stand on their own just yet. If you would like to cut and run, so the Taliban can regain power, slaughter any Afghan who sided with NATO because they wanted something so selfish as their families being able to live free like we do. With NATO gone, the Taliban would be free to allow terrorist training camps to reopen, and we'd be back were we started. Though Jack Layton would be happy I guess.
Yep, waste of time being here.

Whine and stamp your feet and parrot the official line all you want, Nigel, but none of that changes the fact that A-stan is looking more and more like a quagmire. More and more it's looking like a mistake to have gone there.

If it makes you feel any better you can blame the Liberals for some of this mess.

[Johnny_Utah]

WesterCharcoal WesterCharcoal:

Give it to them Penatrator!

Don't make the Mistake the USA made in Vietnam. 3 million Vietnamese and Cambodians died as an immediate result of the USA withdrawl from that conflict. Sure the fighting was hard, and progress hard to measure, but cut and run didn't show it'self to be a solution there.

What happen in Vietnam could also happen in Iraq if a Cut & Run option is taken..

[Johnny_Utah]

Streaker Streaker:

sasquatch2 sasquatch2:

Streaker

$1:

Well...... It's not like our time in Somalia was a raging success.

Only if you believe UN propaganda.

The US mission in Somalia was working reasonably well---aid was getting to the interior...

The the US mission was taken over by the UN who promptly attempted to marginalize Aideed in favour of their favourites and the crap hit the fan----result BLACKHAWK DOWN.

The mistake the US made was not leaving and remaining to support the UN mission. If the US had left, then perhaps a bunch of Swedes would have been dragged dead through the streets. But as usual the winners whine but send no troops.....Wadda ya do.....

I was referring to the Canadian mission in Somalia, samsquantch.

The Canadian and United States Mission in Somalia was basically the same, but the Canadians didn't end up losing 18 Soldiers doing the UN's dirty work like the United States did..

[ridenrain]

Stack the deck..
"everybody knows that we can't win in Afghanistan."
After all, that's all they say on the CBC so it must be right..

[sasquatch2]

WesterCharcoal wrote:
Gi

$1:

ve it to them Penatrator!

Don't make the Mistake the USA made in Vietnam. 3 million Vietnamese and Cambodians died as an immediate result of the USA withdrawl from that conflict. Sure the fighting was hard, and progress hard to measure, but cut and run didn't show it'self to be a solution there.

Actually General Giap divulged later that the NVA had only a years fight left. When the US diplomats went to Paris they surrendered to a defeated enemy. It's sorta like when the USSR collapsed in the 90's---the process reached a tipping point and BANG it was gone. The same will occur in Iraq and Afghanistan.....if the bad guys are not encouraged by our quislings.

[Numure]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Stack the deck..
"everybody knows that we can't win in Afghanistan."
After all, that's all they say on the CBC so it must be right..

Actually, I think we can win. But lets break it down a bit.

How much will it cost?

How long will our troops have to be there?

How many will die?

And what do we get out of it?

That's all I care about.