[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Coach85 Coach85:

We don't need another battle over which religion is worse.

I have failed in my quest to show that it's not 'religion' that does these things, it's 'people'.

Um, I think that's exactly what Thanos and I were saying.

[BartSimpson]

raydan raydan:

Strange that a lot of people who say that religion does these things are the first to say that guns don't kill people...

Religions are composed of people and they do things.

Inanimate objects are typically incapable of independent action.

[raydan]

So you're saying that religion is capable of independent action.

Guns, like religion, are facilitators... and both are the invention of man.


But if I had the choice of ridding the world of one of those things, I'd choose religion any day.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Coach85 Coach85:

We don't need another battle over which religion is worse.

I have failed in my quest to show that it's not 'religion' that does these things, it's 'people'.

Um, I think that's exactly what Thanos and I were saying.

You didn't write much, and I never got that impression from the Muslim thread. In there, it's religion doing bad things all day, every day.

[BartSimpson]

raydan raydan:

So you're saying that religion is capable of independent action.

Guns, like religion, are facilitators... and both are the invention of man.


But if I had the choice of ridding the world of one of those things, I'd choose religion any day.

Geez, Ray. Your logical capabilities are really hurting, aren't they?

Conflating an ideology with a weapon?

That's on par with conflating pacifism with a blender.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You didn't write much, and I never got that impression from the Muslim thread. In there, it's religion doing bad things all day, every day.

'Islam' doesn't do a damned thing good or bad. Muslims do plenty of things both good and bad.

Anthropomorphizing a religion into an individual person is pretty absurd.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You didn't write much, and I never got that impression from the Muslim thread. In there, it's religion doing bad things all day, every day.

'Islam' doesn't do a damned thing good or bad. Muslims do plenty of things both good and bad.

Anthropomorphizing a religion into an individual person is pretty absurd.

"The Religion of Peace". How many times have I read that? And Muslims don't do anything good in that thread. And they don't do it because they are Muslims.

Just like this Catholic school, it wasn't because they were Catholic that these things happened. It was because they were assholes. The faith is irrelevant, the people are not.

Just like the excellent point Ray made; guns don't kill people, and religion does not guide their hate filled actions.

[Tricks]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

and religion does not guide their hate filled actions.

It's just a tool that's used to justify it.

[DrCaleb]

Tricks Tricks:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

and religion does not guide their hate filled actions.

It's just a tool that's used to justify it.

Lots of things can be used for that. Athiests use political correctness, for example.

[raydan]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

raydan raydan:

So you're saying that religion is capable of independent action.

Guns, like religion, are facilitators... and both are the invention of man.


But if I had the choice of ridding the world of one of those things, I'd choose religion any day.

Geez, Ray. Your logical capabilities are really hurting, aren't they?

Conflating an ideology with a weapon?

That's on par with conflating pacifism with a blender.

You've shown us many times that weapons ARE an ideology in the USA.

My logical capabilities are just fine, thank you... how are your comprehension skills?

[fifeboy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You didn't write much, and I never got that impression from the Muslim thread. In there, it's religion doing bad things all day, every day.

'Islam' doesn't do a damned thing good or bad. Muslims do plenty of things both good and bad.

Anthropomorphizing a religion into an individual person is pretty absurd.

"The Religion of Peace". How many times have I read that? And Muslims don't do anything good in that thread. And they don't do it because they are Muslims.

Just like this Catholic school, it wasn't because they were Catholic that these things happened. It was because they were assholes. The faith is irrelevant, the people are not.

Just like the excellent point Ray made; guns don't kill people, and religion does not guide their hate filled actions.

One point though. People can use religion to do evil, but it’s the people doing it, not the religion itself.

[Tricks]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Tricks Tricks:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

and religion does not guide their hate filled actions.

It's just a tool that's used to justify it.

Lots of things can be used for that. Athiests use political correctness, for example.

If someone wants to find a justification for something, they will.

[BartSimpson]

raydan raydan:

My logical capabilities are just fine, thank you... how are your comprehension skills?

I can tell the difference between a group of people and an inanimate object.

How 'bout you?

[raydan]

I NEVER said anything about any group of people.

[BartSimpson]

raydan raydan:

I NEVER said anything about any group of people.

A religion is a group of people or else it's just history.