[herbie]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

herbie herbie:

So we're paying $1.40/L for $15.75 oil? Yeah we'll all be so much better off when it goes to $100 bbl again!
If it does, that new pickup in your driveway will be worth 5c on the dollar and you'll be on the waiting list for a Chinese built electric car, right?

Nope. When you're running a scam like the oil companies they'll carefully continue play us like a well worn hill billy fiddle.

Just look at how much we were paying when gas was $140 per barrel and you'll discover it was very close to what we're paying now and gas hasn't been over $75.00 per barrel in years.

These corporations aren't stupid because they know that if they raise the price per liter to high they'll kill the golden goose which unfortunately is us. So, for them the trick is to maximize profit without having we peasants revolt.

Ah, follow the money. WHO benefits most when Alberta's oil can't get to market? Maybe those BC environmental nuts aren't funded by Hollywood Celebrities at all. Perhaps those ever so benevolent Oil companies are behind it all....

To Thanos:
NO. The taxes on gas and oil are the only part that benefits you and I. You know damned well if they cut 40c in taxes out, the price would go down a nickel. Just because they blame taxes every single time prices go up- and there haven't been any tax increases!

[Thanos]

Doubt it considering that in both BC and Alberta the cost in carbon taxes alone is almost 10-cents alone. Wish they still put those stickers on the gas pumps that illustrated that 50% of the cost of fuel is in taxes. We need those things to remind us what the governments are doing on their part to make everything that damn much more expensive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_fue ... _in_Canada

LOL BC! (again) at the $0.17 per litre local excise tax added on by Vancouver alone. Swine, gluttonous swine at the taxpayer funded feeding trough.

[herbie]

Less than 8c carbon tax in BC, it's not hurting the economy here in the least. And it pays for shit we all use, not line someone else's pocket.
The 17c transit tax is in the GVRD, someone's gotta pay for that fucking Skytrain. Goddam new Mayor and council and Surrey just rejected LRT in favour of that way more costly system so there's no end in sight there. They won't pay through housing tax or a regional sales tax either.
Revenue for services must come from somewhere.
Like I said. You and I are nobodies. The tax is the only part that benefits us, it's just a distraction for the sellers to use when they gouge us. And they DO, every chance they get.
I get pissed living 100 miles away and they blame 'delivery costs'.. yeah like fuck it costs $5600 extra to drive that truck 100 miles.

[Sunnyways]

Cheer up, Alberta. Although Quebec gets billions from your resources, you’re not facing bankruptcy while this happens, unlike Newfoundland and Labrador. May the Lord spare me and the province until 2041 when we are supposed to get Churchill Falls back.

Leaving aside our own woes for a moment, the American sanctions on Iran were less severe than I, for one, anticipated because multiple countries that import Iranian oil were exempted, for the moment at least, thus sending oil way down. It will be interesting to see what happens next and whether KSA will cut production in a major way.

[herbie]

Where I live the gas is refined in Prince George or trucked from Alberta. As if to prove what I keep pointing out I saw on the news some stations in Vancouver are now selling gas for 8c/L less than here. Their gas is mostly refined in the US and trucked back to the Lower Mainland.
And they pay 17c in transit tax, we don't. All other taxes are equal in both places.
That means we're being overcharged 22c/L here.

[Thanos]

It's one of those enduring mysteries. Same as how in Alberta, with multiple refineries feeding the Edmonton-Calgary corridor, when a refinery shut-down in Chicago or Texas can cause fuel prices to jump 15 cents overnight even in a place that is now literally drowning in it's own oil supply.

BTW, I've actually entertained the thoughts that a response to the economic devastation here should be nationalization of the entire industry inside Canada. Then I reminded myself that with a federal government obsessed with the illusion of "social license" as a legit excuse to cripple an economy it would be far more likely that today's Canadian government would go full-press in shutting the industry down altogether that it would be in stabilizing or boosting it. After all the economic consequences are a barely annoying consideration for way too many people in this incessantly delusional country when it comes to grabbing the opportunity to look like some kind of enviro super-heroes.

Like God said, none of this was ever supposed to be fair.

[herbie]

No shit. This industry is open to so many levels of manipulation and we've seen every single one from obviously planned simultaneous refinery shutdowns to sailing tankers offshore until prices go up.
We all KNOW they're stockpiling this $15 oil and as soon as the price goes up it will be run through the refineries with a 50c/L increase in price while they tell us 'it's because oil prices went up'.
I personally think the stupidest thing we ever did was the breakup and privatization of PetroCanada. It would've had the capital to own pipelines and build mega-refineries here.

[bootlegga]

Thanos Thanos:

llama66 llama66:

Thanos Thanos:

Alberta's interest in Canada is entire emotional and traditional. There is absolutely no economic, financial, or employment advantage that Alberta benefits from as a member of the Canadian confederation. If anything it's the exact opposite, in that Alberta is being actively harmed economically just by being part of Canada. Attacked from outside by the games the Arabs play with the world oil price, deliberately sabotaged internally by the Irving empire, the likes of Denis Coderre, and by insane environmentalists in BC.

We aren't going to recover as long as this stasis, stagnation, and status quo remains in effect.

The alternative is we leave, which I'm fine with... however we won't survive long as an independent nation... the only real option is Statehood (or territory-hood or whatever) and that's trading the devil we know for the devil we think we know.

The benefit is we would no longer be strangled to death by a federal government and other provivnces that are openly antipathetic to us, and who would be more than happy to see us fall down to the status of permanently broken in the same way the Maritimes are. I'm not advocating separation. Or joining the US, which would be an absolutely horrifying prospect given their spiralling descent into endless ideological madness. I'm just stating the obvious that economically we're permanently behind the eight-ball as long as the existing system is in place.

Independence isn't a viable financial option, only joining the US would work:



As much as I enjoy visiting the US on occasion, I don't want to live there.

[BRAH]

Canada continues to buy Terror-Oil because the Alberta Oil Sands and Pipelines are Evil or something.

[herbie]

The whole sales job has been pathetic.
Obviously we're going to have to address every native and environmental issue along the way on every megaproject from now on. That's the way it is.
If you want to sell something to someone, you have to point out advantages to them. Clearly simply whining about how Alberta's getting fucked doesn't do the job.

We've had absurd prices in BC, low revenue from oil sales. Point out stabilization, benefits to Eastern Canada, to the country as a whole. Handing out a few billion in bribes (incentives) last year could've been way cheaper than what's been lost with all this stalling!

[Thanos]

Could point out that the entire country is getting fucked thanks to the industry losing $80 million a day due to the strangulation from lack of pipelines and market access. But the ship on getting BC or Central Canada to acknowledge simple economic sense has long since sailed. Canada just doesn't want to hear it or simply doesn't care.

[Freakinoldguy]

Thanos Thanos:

Could point out that the entire country is getting fucked thanks to the industry losing $80 million a day due to the strangulation from lack of pipelines and market access. But the ship on getting BC or Central Canada to acknowledge simple economic sense has long since sailed. Canada just doesn't want to hear it or simply doesn't care.

That's where you're wrong.

$1:

While the debate about whether or not to extended Kinder Morgan’s Trans Mountain pipeline rages on, an Ipsos poll commissioned by Global News found a majority of Canadians support the issue.

Fifty-six per cent of respondents say they support the expansion of the pipeline from Alberta to B.C.’s coast, while 24 per cent of respondents oppose it. Twenty per cent of Canadians aren’t sure whether or not they should support it.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4180482/majo ... psos-poll/

$1:

A new poll says more than half of British Columbians now support the Trans Mountain pipeline expansion project, with the number of backers rising even as the provincial government digs in its heels on the battle to stop the project from moving forward.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... -1.4624611

So, it would appear that most Canadians and BC residents were in favour of at least one pipeline but the Liberal Gov't refused to use their political authority to ensure that the majorities wishes were satisfied. Which means that it isn't Canadians who are the problem it's the Liberal Gov't and their culturally appropriating leader who's refusal to to use the notwithstanding clause in the manner it was designed have caused this wholesale destruction of Alberta's economy. I defy anyone to tell me that this wasn't their intent all along and the paying of lip service to the problem while spending taxpayer dollars to purchase something that will never be built is just cover for their real intent which is to punish Alberta.

[Thanos]

The minority wins so often in this country that the majority might as well not exist at all.

[Sunnyways]

This problem did not arise with JT. It's been around for quite a while, yes?

[Thanos]

Been going on for far too long because the last two generations, at least, of Canadians have shown a remarkable lack of foresight when it comes to infrastructure projects of national importance.