[peck420]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Irrelvant, it's my right to know.

I will leave the debate of right vs want here, but I do have to ask, do you demand the right to know when everyone is still awaiting the know part?

$1:

You should snap your fingers so that the news article could read 'a gun was found at the scene'. That would at least cast doubt that a police officer shot him. But it doesn't rule out the other possibility.

We have enough evidence to make it 'unlikely' that the victim was shot by police. No 'explosions' nor 'gunfire' reported by witnesses, which were still on scene when the victim was transported to hospital. So, if he was shot by the police, the did so prior to any calls being made. Yes, that would make for a much more intriguing story line, but there is no evidence, as of yet, to support that.

$1:

Do we? You assume the victim killed himself. That is not evident by the article.

Yes, we do. And no where do I even state that the suspect killed himself. In fact, if you scroll back, I even gave conjecture of the victim accidentally harming himself during his attempt to trigger the explosives.

$1:

You haven't looked very hard. I post articles all the time on the good things police do, like helping victims, or buying a guy a pair of shoes because that's what they stole from a store.

And not a single word on how well the RCMP contained and cordoned off, arguably, the most convoluted building system in Strathcona County.

$1:

And I am content to. But this article contains more questions than answers, whether that is the fault of police or the reporter.

A single article makes you question the Police, not the article? That's not very fair...

$1:

I didn't bitch they weren't fast enough, I think they did not answer the obvious questions that they already have the answer to. If this suspect died by gunshot, then they already have some idea who shot him. Is it so hard to include that? Why was there a second blast, and from where? The article doesn't say.

$1:

Police said the RCMP’s explosive disposal unit will remain at the scene until they are able to confirm the cause of the explosions and ensure there are no other potential threats.

Your article does say. Says they don't know yet, and will tell us when they do know.

$1:

People still can't get their cars out of the parkade because it is still under CSI investigation, so I understand there are things that we'll hear in the coming days. But what do they know - right now!?!

Why don't we take a giant deep breath...and wait to find out.

[peck420]

Thanos Thanos:

Privacy for the family has to take a bit of a backseat here, considering the potential for the death and injury of uninvolved citizens if this was a more spectacular than usual suicide.

So...what has already happened?

Name of the potential suspect/victim, as well as pictures, abound.

There has been zero, IMHO, attempt by law enforcement to do anything other than there jobs, in this specific case.

Technically from Thursday:
https://globalnews.ca/news/4645363/21-year-old-suspect-sherwood-park-explosions-identified/

Edit to add:

From the linked article:

$1:

An autopsy determined Kosolowsky died from a gunshot wound.

They didn't even know, until almost 24 hours later, that the victim had died from a gunshot.

[DrCaleb]

peck420 peck420:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Irrelvant, it's my right to know.

I will leave the debate of right vs want here, but I do have to ask, do you demand the right to know when everyone is still awaiting the know part?

No, I am not special. I only want to know what they already know.

peck420 peck420:

$1:

You should snap your fingers so that the news article could read 'a gun was found at the scene'. That would at least cast doubt that a police officer shot him. But it doesn't rule out the other possibility.

We have enough evidence to make it 'unlikely' that the victim was shot by police. No 'explosions' nor 'gunfire' reported by witnesses, which were still on scene when the victim was transported to hospital. So, if he was shot by the police, the did so prior to any calls being made. Yes, that would make for a much more intriguing story line, but there is no evidence, as of yet, to support that.

Then let's hear what they already know, and end the speculation.

peck420 peck420:

$1:

Do we? You assume the victim killed himself. That is not evident by the article.

Yes, we do. And no where do I even state that the suspect killed himself. In fact, if you scroll back, I even gave conjecture of the victim accidentally harming himself during his attempt to trigger the explosives.

You stated we know the victim, and we know the killer. Unless they are the same person, we don't know both. The article is still amazingly unclear on how he was shot. And your speculation doesn't help! How do you shoot yourself while (assuming) trying to shoot tannerite to start an explosion? "Whoops, had it pointed in the wrong direction again! Silly me!"

peck420 peck420:

$1:

You haven't looked very hard. I post articles all the time on the good things police do, like helping victims, or buying a guy a pair of shoes because that's what they stole from a store.

And not a single word on how well the RCMP contained and cordoned off, arguably, the most convoluted building system in Strathcona County.

I don't get praised for doing my job (nor do I expect it), and I don't give praise for people doing theirs. I give praise for going above and beyond it.

peck420 peck420:

$1:

And I am content to. But this article contains more questions than answers, whether that is the fault of police or the reporter.

A single article makes you question the Police, not the article? That's not very fair...

Not a single article. A pattern of withholding information because the police have decided they are the deciders. Just one example:

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/wh ... er-victims

peck420 peck420:

$1:

I didn't bitch they weren't fast enough, I think they did not answer the obvious questions that they already have the answer to. If this suspect died by gunshot, then they already have some idea who shot him. Is it so hard to include that? Why was there a second blast, and from where? The article doesn't say.

$1:

Police said the RCMP’s explosive disposal unit will remain at the scene until they are able to confirm the cause of the explosions and ensure there are no other potential threats.

Your article does say. Says they don't know yet, and will tell us when they do know.

I eagerly await it then.

peck420 peck420:

$1:

People still can't get their cars out of the parkade because it is still under CSI investigation, so I understand there are things that we'll hear in the coming days. But what do they know - right now!?!

Why don't we take a giant deep breath...and wait to find out.

Like I wrote, I am content to wait. But they are not releasing everything they know. And based on previous patterns, I expect that they either won't, or it will fall of the news cycle and be forgotten.


I'm almost done for the day, so I may not respond further till Tuedsay. Have a good weekend!

[peck420]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

No, I am not special. I only want to know what they already know.

Yet here you are, whining about not being told enough, when every single article has the police stating that they are still trying to figure out what happened.

$1:

Then let's hear what they already know, and end the speculation.

A fire led to the discovery of a badly injured person, that has died, and there was a car full of explosives. You are now all caught up with 99% of the LEO's involved.

$1:

You stated we know the victim, and we know the killer.

Don't you always complain when people try to put words in your mouth? I said we know the victim and PRIMARY SUSPECT.

$1:

The article is still amazingly unclear on how he was shot. And your speculation doesn't help!

Seeing as hey did not even know he was shot until long after his body had left the site, nor do we know if he was mobile when he was found...how would you like to recreate the shooting site? Conjecture?

$1:

How do you shoot yourself while (assuming) trying to shoot tannerite to start an explosion? "Whoops, had it pointed in the wrong direction again! Silly me!"

Maybe you just assume a regular bullet will punch clean through a vehicle? Maybe you catch a fragment or even your own bullet coming back at you.

$1:

I don't get praised for doing my job (nor do I expect it), and I don't give praise for people doing theirs. I give praise for going above and beyond it.

Like completely clearing 3 buildings that share a single structure base. A base that includes unmarked areas, as well as a host of 'changed, but never noted' modifications?

And doing it all in a timely and safe manner?

You assumed that they didn't go above and beyond in how they handled this.

$1:

Not a single article. A pattern of withholding information because the police have decided they are the deciders. Just one example:

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/wh ... er-victims

You should atone for all of the Natives you have caused harm too.

I can provide you a shit ball of articles pointing out how badly white people have treated them...oh, I am sure you want to be judged on your merits.

$1:

I eagerly await it then.

Expect to wait a week or more. This structure is fugly from a forensic analysis perspective. There are upgrades over upgrades, buildings on top of parts of other buildings, gas and electrical works all over the place, etc, etc.

This is one of the least pleasant places to ever have to do any sort of investigative work. Every 3 steps you take, your surroundings will change.

$1:

Like I wrote, I am content to wait. But they are not releasing everything they know. And based on previous patterns, I expect that they either won't, or it will fall of the news cycle and be forgotten.

They actually are releasing quite a bit more than you think they are. The vast majority are still in collection/documentation mode, lots of items sent for testing, but not yet tested, and the whole gunshot part opened a can of worms they weren't actually expecting at the beginning.

$1:

I'm almost done for the day, so I may not respond further till Tuedsay. Have a good weekend!

Fuck buddy, it's Friday, I have been done for a while!!!!

Enjoy your weekend! Except for 2 minutes.

Frak....Remembrance Day....we may be waiting a day or two longer for more info. Many labs will be at bare bones staffing for this weekend.

[DrCaleb]

peck420 peck420:

Don't you always complain when people try to put words in your mouth?

peck420 peck420:

You should atone for all of the Natives you have caused harm too.

I can provide you a shit ball of articles pointing out how badly white people have treated them...oh, I am sure you want to be judged on your merits.

Didn't really want to get back into this, as we were just going in circles . . . but I couldn't let that go.

I have caused no harm to any natives. I have nothing to atone for. If there is to be reconciliation, that has to be a a step forward; recognizing that just because I'm not native doesn't mean I had any say or knowledge in their mistreatment.

[peck420]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Didn't really want to get back into this, as we were just going in circles . . . but I couldn't let that go.

I have caused no harm to any natives. I have nothing to atone for. If there is to be reconciliation, that has to be a a step forward; recognizing that just because I'm not native doesn't mean I had any say or knowledge in their mistreatment.

You can't let it go, but you judge based on that very metric.

List the names of the RCMP involved in Sherwood Park. Now tell me which ones have not done their job properly.

You have already claimed that 'past actions' are why you demand more information...so, I am doing the exact same thing to you. I am judging you based on the past actions of other 'white people'.

[DrCaleb]

peck420 peck420:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Didn't really want to get back into this, as we were just going in circles . . . but I couldn't let that go.

I have caused no harm to any natives. I have nothing to atone for. If there is to be reconciliation, that has to be a a step forward; recognizing that just because I'm not native doesn't mean I had any say or knowledge in their mistreatment.

You can't let it go, but you judge based on that very metric.

I do not. (1)

peck420 peck420:

List the names of the RCMP involved in Sherwood Park. Now tell me which ones have not done their job properly.

I have not written this. (2)

peck420 peck420:

You have already claimed that 'past actions' are why you demand more information...so, I am doing the exact same thing to you. I am judging you based on the past actions of other 'white people'.

I have also not written this. (3)

Let's review:

(1)

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

No, I am not special. I only want to know what they already know.

(2)

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I don't get praised for doing my job (nor do I expect it), and I don't give praise for people doing theirs. I give praise for going above and beyond it.

(3)

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

A pattern of withholding information because the police have decided they are the deciders.

[llama66]

Canadian Police do have a storied tradition of withholding information from the public because it doesn't fit certain narratives, this could be as simple as a dumbass with a car full of Tannerite or maybe its far more serious, maybe it was to be a dry run for an Oklahoma City type of attack. We simply don't know, and with the Police thinking we're all small children, and hoping we'll all forget about this, they'll sit on the information until we do forget.

[DrCaleb]

llama66 llama66:

and with the Police thinking we're all small children, and hoping we'll all forget about this, they'll sit on the information until we do forget.

^^^^

Which is why I want all the information they have, up front.

[llama66]

Shhhhh..... Just forget. Sleep now....

[DrCaleb]

Just tossing this out there too:

Opinion: Sherwood Park blast shows online hate is selective

$1:

In the last few days, I have been thinking about an old folk tale from the 13th century Turkish satirical mullah Nasruddin, about the apocryphal “wise fool,” Hodja.

Hodja gives his son a jug to fetch water, but before he gives it to him, Hodja slaps him. As his son starts to cry, a bystander asks, “why did you feel the need to hit him?”

“In case he drops the vase,” Hodja responds.

It has become a cliched observation that a news story is “headline-worthy” only for the sake of the ethnicity or religion of the person involved. This observation was amplified during the recent car bombing of the Community Centre and County Hall in Sherwood Park.

On the evening of Nov. 6, an explosion rocked Sherwood Park. As a previous resident, the whole thing was shocking for this quiet hamlet.

Law enforcement held back the identity of the person involved. The reactions to this lack of information was startling. Twitter and news-story comment sections were filled with hate, and that hate was towards the Muslim community. Many implied that Trudeau’s refugee policies, or a member of the Muslim community, was likely responsible. The online backlash was so powerful that law-enforcement and city officials had to ask the public not to speculate on the incident until more information was released.

I saw these reactions and my thoughts immediately went to the new mosque in Sherwood Park. I could see the narrative of speculative tendencies mixing with Islamophobia to generate some imagined connection between the explosion and the mosque.

Whether the person would be affiliated to the mosque or not, it would not matter. All it would take is for him to be Muslim, and our centre of worship, where we go to pray and find peace, would be associated with this event. Our whole community would be held responsible.

When it was revealed that the Sherwood Park man linked to the explosives was 21-year-old Kane Kosolowsky, the story instantly no longer dominated headlines or Twitter feeds. Interest died down immediately after it was revealed that it was a white male.

[Thanos]

When I read that it was car full of guns + tannerite the first thing I thought of, just because it's the nature of the times, was an angry redneck going active on a MAGA-inspired one-man war of his own. Simply the way it is now, it's just a 50/50 coin-toss between a Muslim shithead or a white right-wing shithead behind it.

Check out the tannerite videos on YouTube. Most of them are hilarious, just a bunch of drunk backwoods goofs having some potentially lethal fun - there's one there where one guy shot a microwave oven stuffed with tannerite and the door came flying right back at him and came close to slicing into him. That being said, as fun as those videos are, it's really just a matter of time before someone uses tannerite + propane as a bomb to kill people on purpose. It can't be that difficult for some of these wildly cunning kooks to rig something up to a remote or a timer that fires a triggering shot into the explosive via remote or timer. It'll happen eventually, the way it always goes with all bad things and bad people.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

When I read that it was car full of guns + tannerite the first thing I thought of, just because it's the nature of the times, was an angry redneck going active on a MAGA-inspired one-man war of his own. Simply the way it is now, it's just a 50/50 coin-toss between a Muslim shithead or a white right-wing shithead behind it.

Check out the tannerite videos on YouTube. Most of them are hilarious, just a bunch of drunk backwoods goofs having some potentially lethal fun - there's one there where one guy shot a microwave oven stuffed with tannerite and the door came flying right back at him and came close to slicing into him. That being said, as fun as those videos are, it's really just a matter of time before someone uses tannerite + propane as a bomb to kill people on purpose. It can't be that difficult for some of these wildly cunning kooks to rig something up to a remote or a timer that fires a triggering shot into the explosive via remote or timer. It'll happen eventually, the way it always goes with all bad things and bad people.

Tannerite is not a good bomb-making material for an awful lot of reasons. Most of these devices, as you've noticed, tend to kill the idiots and not their intended victims.

I suppose that makes a case for not banning the stuff.

[BeaverFever]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Just tossing this out there too:

Opinion: Sherwood Park blast shows online hate is selective

$1:

In the last few days, I have been thinking about an old folk tale from the 13th century Turkish satirical mullah Nasruddin, about the apocryphal “wise fool,” Hodja.

Hodja gives his son a jug to fetch water, but before he gives it to him, Hodja slaps him. As his son starts to cry, a bystander asks, “why did you feel the need to hit him?”

“In case he drops the vase,” Hodja responds.

It has become a cliched observation that a news story is “headline-worthy” only for the sake of the ethnicity or religion of the person involved. This observation was amplified during the recent car bombing of the Community Centre and County Hall in Sherwood Park.

On the evening of Nov. 6, an explosion rocked Sherwood Park. As a previous resident, the whole thing was shocking for this quiet hamlet.

Law enforcement held back the identity of the person involved. The reactions to this lack of information was startling. Twitter and news-story comment sections were filled with hate, and that hate was towards the Muslim community. Many implied that Trudeau’s refugee policies, or a member of the Muslim community, was likely responsible. The online backlash was so powerful that law-enforcement and city officials had to ask the public not to speculate on the incident until more information was released.

I saw these reactions and my thoughts immediately went to the new mosque in Sherwood Park. I could see the narrative of speculative tendencies mixing with Islamophobia to generate some imagined connection between the explosion and the mosque.

Whether the person would be affiliated to the mosque or not, it would not matter. All it would take is for him to be Muslim, and our centre of worship, where we go to pray and find peace, would be associated with this event. Our whole community would be held responsible.

When it was revealed that the Sherwood Park man linked to the explosives was 21-year-old Kane Kosolowsky, the story instantly no longer dominated headlines or Twitter feeds. Interest died down immediately after it was revealed that it was a white male.

Where’s martin with his Coulter’s law now?

[DrCaleb]

$1:

“We can now confirm that Kane Kosolowsky purposely caused an explosion underneath a half-tonne truck on the lower level parkade using a substance that is yet to be determined,” said RCMP Supt. Dave Kalist, noting forensic analysis of the debris could take weeks.
Kosolowsky, 21, was found seriously injured after the initial explosion last week and was taken to hospital, where he later died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
On Saturday, Kalist confirmed that more than five registered firearms — including hunting rifles, shotguns and handguns — were discovered in a vehicle belonging to Kosolowsky.
“An examination of the suspect vehicle led to the seizure of multiple firearms,” he noted. “No additional explosives were found in his vehicle or any other vehicles.”
With that said, however, police have not yet determined any motives for the crime.
“At this time, we do not have any specific motive as to why Kosolowsky caused the explosion, or what his intentions were with the firearms in his possession,” Kalist continued.

https://www.sherwoodparknews.com/news/l ... explosions

So, my only remaining question is "What about the second explosion"?