[Freakinoldguy]

llama66 llama66:

Doesn't Canabinoid (sp) Oil manage pain? Opiates are terrible, especially an Opiate that is 100 times as powerful as Fentanyl. Not trying to sound like a hippy, but we need to invest in more natural ways to manage pain.

It's not a pain killer per se it's a pain diverter which for most people in excruciating pain is nowhere near enough.

As for the oils. I'm taking "arthrotec", numerous tylenol 1's and canabinoid oils for arthritis in various joints. But TBH for the Ankylosing Spondylitis in my back it does squat.

I guess for some people who have normal osteoarthritis it might help otherwise I wouldn't recommend it for excruciating pain at all. Interestingly enough it might be beneficial for pain relief because the effect of marijuana on opiod pain killers is to increase their effect when taken in conjunction with them. So potentially you could take a smaller dose of an opiod and combine it with marijuana to receive the result of a larger dose. Otherwise it's pretty much useless for unbearable pain.

[DrCaleb]

Yea, FOG you probably don't want marijuana alone for pain relief. It doesn't help, and only would prolong the experience.

[DrCaleb]

And drugs aren't even the worst affliction in the health system. Medical devices are by far the bane of sick people who want to be healthy.

$1:

A patient died after a heart operation in which the surgeon was using a robot for the first time even though he had not been trained and did not have proper supervision, an inquest has been told.

Stephen Pettitt, 69, suffered multiple organ failure days after the procedure, which was conducted by Sukumaran Nair with a Da Vinci surgical device.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pati ... -xkq8lpshx

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And drugs aren't even the worst affliction in the health system. Medical devices are by far the bane of sick people who want to be healthy.

$1:

A patient died after a heart operation in which the surgeon was using a robot for the first time even though he had not been trained and did not have proper supervision, an inquest has been told.

Stephen Pettitt, 69, suffered multiple organ failure days after the procedure, which was conducted by Sukumaran Nair with a Da Vinci surgical device.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pati ... -xkq8lpshx

WTF



As scary as surgical devices are, in the right hands they can be life savers. Unfortunately for Mr. Pettitt they were in the wrong ones and for the record this "surgeon" should be charged with 2nd degree murder at the least. Talk about irresponsible.

That netflix trailer looked scary as hell though, I'll have to see if it's on the Canadian service because it's the type of thing people should watch.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

That netflix trailer looked scary as hell though, I'll have to see if it's on the Canadian service because it's the type of thing people should watch.

I've seen it, and it is pretty chilling. Health Canada uses many of the accreditations that the FDA uses in determining a medical device is fit for use. And those guidelines are terrifyingly lax.

Not everything the USDA/FDA approves makes it into Canada, so there is hope.

[Prof_Chomsky]

There's nothing wrong with having as many pain killing options as possible on the market. People are always really great a tolerating OTHER people's pain. Not every pain killer works the same for everyone. Some cause terrible side effects. Others don't work.

Just because a new narcotic is 10x more potent than fentanyl doesn't make it more dangerous, they just use and dispense in smaller doses. The only thing that makes fentanyl so prolific and dangerous is it's totally synthetic, almost free to produce, and you can't detect it so you can ship it anywhere, and carfentanyl is so incredibly potent drug dealers can't cut it properly without causing accidental "hotshots" and OD's.

Buprenorphine is 2-5X more potent than fentanyl. But it is nearly impossible to OD on because it doesn't cause respiratory depression the same way as other opioids. It's the new life saving pain patch people said "we don't need", until well, we needed it.

[Sunnyways]

Thanos Thanos:

For a lot of people the pain is incurable. It isn't fake and they can't just "tough it out" or any of that other crap they get as advice from those who aren't experiencing the same thing.

But why make another ultra-powerful narcotic available for diversion and abuse? Don’t they have enough problems already?

[DrCaleb]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Thanos Thanos:

For a lot of people the pain is incurable. It isn't fake and they can't just "tough it out" or any of that other crap they get as advice from those who aren't experiencing the same thing.

But why make another ultra-powerful narcotic available for diversion and abuse? Don’t they have enough problems already?

The stronger the painkiller, the more toxic it also is. The human body can adapt, but it has to be gradual. That's the reason people used to heroin overdose from fentanyl, because it isn't gradual.

So having a painkiller between the two gives more options for treatment.

[Sunnyways]

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

There's nothing wrong with having as many pain killing options as possible on the market. People are always really great a tolerating OTHER people's pain. Not every pain killer works the same for everyone. Some cause terrible side effects.

Buprenorphine is 2-5X more potent than fentanyl. But it is nearly impossible to OD on because it doesn't cause respiratory depression the same way as other opioids. It's the new life saving pain patch people said "we don't need", until well, we needed it.

It does cause some respiratory depression.

North American patients just don’t understand how unusual they are when it comes to opioid use. They use far more than patients in European countries and pay the price in overdose deaths.

[herbie]

$1:

The stronger the painkiller, the more toxic it also is. The human body can adapt, but it has to be gradual. That's the reason people used to heroin overdose from fentanyl, because it isn't gradual.

Same thing happens with plain heroin. Someone gets a 'hot cap' and it's bye bye. Someone shoots up what they always did after drying out in jail for a long time. The dealers want to make more money, pop in some fentanyl but they don't have a pharmaceutical grade lab and it doesn't mix evenly... no way to guarantee each pill is x% this and y.233 mg that. A good reason to decriminalize and up the medical approach to addictions.

which reminds me of something: I was talking to a woman the other day about pot. She told me that she'll never buy from a cannabis store because "you never know what the gov't puts in there", she'll keep buying from a dealer.

[N_Fiddledog]

You guys got me interested in this CBD as a pain killer so I stopped in at the health food store to look for it.

79 bucks for a little eye dropper size bottle.

I'll pass.

[llama66]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

You guys got me interested in this CBD as a pain killer so I stopped in at the health food store to look for it.

79 bucks for a little eye dropper size bottle.

I'll pass.

Just go to a dispensary or see a Dr. so they can prescribe medical marijuana

[Prof_Chomsky]

llama66 llama66:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

You guys got me interested in this CBD as a pain killer so I stopped in at the health food store to look for it.

79 bucks for a little eye dropper size bottle.

I'll pass.

Just go to a dispensary or see a Dr. so they can prescribe medical marijuana

I work with someone who gets it from a doctor. 90$ for I think 40mg of whatever the purest CBD oil there is. Our insurance covers it now actually, but apparently most don't yet.

[Prof_Chomsky]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

Prof_Chomsky Prof_Chomsky:

There's nothing wrong with having as many pain killing options as possible on the market. People are always really great a tolerating OTHER people's pain. Not every pain killer works the same for everyone. Some cause terrible side effects.

Buprenorphine is 2-5X more potent than fentanyl. But it is nearly impossible to OD on because it doesn't cause respiratory depression the same way as other opioids. It's the new life saving pain patch people said "we don't need", until well, we needed it.

It does cause some respiratory depression.

North American patients just don’t understand how unusual they are when it comes to opioid use. They use far more than patients in European countries and pay the price in overdose deaths.

It does.. but in like extremely high doses, and even then it's exceptionally rare. The patches are 10mcg/hr to 20mcg/hr. They put it in suboxone tablets at 8mg which is 800x more potent. And they give that to addicts to keep them off heroin and fentanyl in doses of like 30mg or more a DAY. It works because it causes almost no respiratory depression, but it binds more strongly than the other opioids, so even if you took fentanyl or heroin or whatever you can't get high.

Buprenorphine is so safe they used to use it as the rescue medicine for overdoses before Narcan came out. Narcan works the same way, it has a higher binding affinity than other opioids so it displaces the deadly drug and stops the overdose.