[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

Keep in mind that, for better or worse, Canadian media isn't allowed to spout off alleged facts about these incidents the way the US media does. They have to wait until an official with real authority is ready to make a statement. And that's a good thing because it keeps the conspiracy shitheads from making hay out of these tragedies based on anecdotes from loose-mouthed police or EMT's on the scene that should know better than to talk to the press without permission. Or spread lies based on the comments from terror-stricken witnesses running away.

Quasi-responsibility from the media? What the fuck, eh?

^^^

This is why it not 'a thing'.

[Coach85]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You know that isn't a 'thing', right?

Yes, it is.

And while it is really just an anecdotal observation it sometimes proves accurate.

And it being "anecdotal observation" is exactly why it's not a thing. It's arbitrary and subjective. If it's not accurate, it's not a 'thing' because you can choose when it works and when it doesn't.

Exactly! You can't say "anecdotal observation" and then claim it's a "thing" in the same sentence.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Thanos Thanos:

Keep in mind that, for better or worse, Canadian media isn't allowed to spout off alleged facts about these incidents the way the US media does. They have to wait until an official with real authority is ready to make a statement. And that's a good thing because it keeps the conspiracy shitheads from making hay out of these tragedies based on anecdotes from loose-mouthed police or EMT's on the scene that should know better than to talk to the press without permission. Or spread lies based on the comments from terror-stricken witnesses running away.

Quasi-responsibility from the media? What the fuck, eh?

^^^

This is why it not 'a thing'.

Erm, so why are the police asking people not to share information on an "ongoing" event when it's supposedly over and the supposedly lone suspect is in custody?

Who else are they going after? Do they suspect more than one person shot at the police?

If not then why not let the public know and talk about what's going on?

[Coach85]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Erm, so why are the police asking people not to share information on an "ongoing" event when it's supposedly over and the supposedly lone suspect is in custody?

Who else are they going after? Do they suspect more than one person shot at the police?

If not then why not let the public know and talk about what's going on?

The bodies aren't even cold yet and you want the entire case laid out on the media? How about giving them time to get warrants to visit the home of the accused and get more information?

Perhaps they can release the name of the individual and have the family rush over to clean out his place and ditch evidence?

[Thanos]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Thanos Thanos:

Keep in mind that, for better or worse, Canadian media isn't allowed to spout off alleged facts about these incidents the way the US media does. They have to wait until an official with real authority is ready to make a statement. And that's a good thing because it keeps the conspiracy shitheads from making hay out of these tragedies based on anecdotes from loose-mouthed police or EMT's on the scene that should know better than to talk to the press without permission. Or spread lies based on the comments from terror-stricken witnesses running away.

Quasi-responsibility from the media? What the fuck, eh?

^^^

This is why it not 'a thing'.

The Columbine shooting in 1999 had two major legacies. The first was that it kicked off a trend of copycats. The second was that it spawned myths that will never die, first and foremost that Harris & Kleibold were bullied and that they targeted only bullies, both of which are completely erroneous and were wrong from the very beginning. That second legacy alone is the main reason that the media should be kept away and forced to keep their goddamn mouths shut until an official report is ready, no matter how long it takes. It's media irresponsibility that's directly responsible for making so very many things so much worse over the last several decades, from their behaviour at mass shootings to the "ha-ha, this is certainly boosting our ratings!" soft-peddle they did with Donald Trump where them going so damn easy on him let him get away with things that no other candidate in the race did.

But if it bleeds it leads I suppose. Gotta keep the voyeurs and other cretins happy with regular bursts of instantaneous "information", no matter how erroneous and counter-factual it is.

[BartSimpson]

Coach85 Coach85:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And it being "anecdotal observation" is exactly why it's not a thing. It's arbitrary and subjective. If it's not accurate, it's not a 'thing' because you can choose when it works and when it doesn't.

Exactly! You can't say "anecdotal observation" and then claim it's a "thing" in the same sentence.

Yes, I can. Because while it is a serious thing in many circles it is still just an anecdotal observation that's periodically accurate when authorities try to suppress the Islamic identity of a suspect.

Case in point is this story:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-m ... index.html

Children found in New Mexico compound were training for school shootings, prosecutors say

The father of the man who headed this terrorist training camp is noted in the story:

$1:

The father of Wahhaj and his two sisters, Siraj Wahhaj, a New York imam, has "no knowledge" of the alleged training, said his spokesman, Imam Al-Hajj Talib Abdur-Rashid.
On Thursday, the elder Wahhaj told reporters in New York that "everybody in my family is perplexed" by what authorities found in New Mexico.

CNN won't even breathe a mention of Islam here but, much to their credit, CBS News does:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/siraj-wahh ... documents/

Man arrested at New Mexico compound is son of imam with possible link to 1993 World Trade Center bombing

And in this case it took about 36 hours after the police raided the camp for the identity of the adults to be released to the public.

Perhaps it's a coincidence. In any case, coincidences like this are what makes the Coulter thing a 'thing'.

In the USA at least it'd be very easy to prove Coulter wrong and that would be by consistently identifying Muslim suspects just as quickly as any other suspects.

[BartSimpson]

Coach85 Coach85:

The bodies aren't even cold yet and you want the entire case laid out on the media? How about giving them time to get warrants to visit the home of the accused and get more information?

Perhaps they can release the name of the individual and have the family rush over to clean out his place and ditch evidence?

The address of the suspects' apartment is already public information and it's in the OP story:

$1:

237 Brookside Dr.

So why not tell us the name of the suspect?

[Coach85]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Coach85 Coach85:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And it being "anecdotal observation" is exactly why it's not a thing. It's arbitrary and subjective. If it's not accurate, it's not a 'thing' because you can choose when it works and when it doesn't.

Exactly! You can't say "anecdotal observation" and then claim it's a "thing" in the same sentence.

Yes, I can. Because while it is a serious thing in many circles it is still just an anecdotal observation that's periodically accurate when authorities try to suppress the Islamic identity of a suspect.

Case in point is this story:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-m ... index.html

Children found in New Mexico compound were training for school shootings, prosecutors say

The father of the man who headed this terrorist training camp is noted in the story:

$1:

The father of Wahhaj and his two sisters, Siraj Wahhaj, a New York imam, has "no knowledge" of the alleged training, said his spokesman, Imam Al-Hajj Talib Abdur-Rashid.
On Thursday, the elder Wahhaj told reporters in New York that "everybody in my family is perplexed" by what authorities found in New Mexico.

CNN won't even breathe a mention of Islam here but, much to their credit, CBS News does:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/siraj-wahh ... documents/

Man arrested at New Mexico compound is son of imam with possible link to 1993 World Trade Center bombing

And in this case it took about 36 hours after the police raided the camp for the identity of the adults to be released to the public.

Perhaps it's a coincidence. In any case, coincidences like this are what makes the Coulter thing a 'thing'.

In the USA at least it'd be very easy to prove Coulter wrong and that would be by consistently identifying Muslim suspects just as quickly as any other suspects.

What happens in the US doesn't translate to every other Country.

[Coach85]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Coach85 Coach85:

The bodies aren't even cold yet and you want the entire case laid out on the media? How about giving them time to get warrants to visit the home of the accused and get more information?

Perhaps they can release the name of the individual and have the family rush over to clean out his place and ditch evidence?

The address of the suspects' apartment is already public information and it's in the OP story:

$1:

237 Brookside Dr.

So why not tell us the name of the suspect?

I haven't read that was his address, just the address of the shooting.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Coach85 Coach85:

The bodies aren't even cold yet and you want the entire case laid out on the media? How about giving them time to get warrants to visit the home of the accused and get more information?

Perhaps they can release the name of the individual and have the family rush over to clean out his place and ditch evidence?

The address of the suspects' apartment is already public information and it's in the OP story:

$1:

237 Brookside Dr.

So why not tell us the name of the suspect?

Are they the only person who lives there? Are they still looking for other suspects?

Why not wait till all the facts are known, then tell us a story? If there is no ongoing danger, I can wait till then.

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

New Brunswick isn't the most likely place for that kind of thing though, certainly not a residential house anyway. Muslims on a rampage, as we just saw in Toronto, almost always go to a public place with lots of people so they can try for a high score. Shooting the wife then ambushing the cops, if this incident turned out that way, is usually something an angry drunk redneck husband does. And, like happened several years ago with the guy who killed four police, NB is chock full of angry & demented & drunk rednecks.

SHould be news conference at 3:30
If it is a drunk redneck whiteboy, a name will be announced.

[Tricks]

Thanos Thanos:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Thanos Thanos:

Keep in mind that, for better or worse, Canadian media isn't allowed to spout off alleged facts about these incidents the way the US media does. They have to wait until an official with real authority is ready to make a statement. And that's a good thing because it keeps the conspiracy shitheads from making hay out of these tragedies based on anecdotes from loose-mouthed police or EMT's on the scene that should know better than to talk to the press without permission. Or spread lies based on the comments from terror-stricken witnesses running away.

Quasi-responsibility from the media? What the fuck, eh?

^^^

This is why it not 'a thing'.

The Columbine shooting in 1999 had two major legacies. The first was that it kicked off a trend of copycats. The second was that it spawned myths that will never die, first and foremost that Harris & Kleibold were bullied and that they targeted only bullies, both of which are completely erroneous and were wrong from the very beginning. That second legacy alone is the main reason that the media should be kept away and forced to keep their goddamn mouths shut until an official report is ready, no matter how long it takes. It's media irresponsibility that's directly responsible for making so very many things so much worse over the last several decades, from their behaviour at mass shootings to the "ha-ha, this is certainly boosting our ratings!" soft-peddle they did with Donald Trump where them going so damn easy on him let him get away with things that no other candidate in the race did.

But if it bleeds it leads I suppose. Gotta keep the voyeurs and other cretins happy with regular bursts of instantaneous "information", no matter how erroneous and counter-factual it is.

You forgot a third (bullshit) legacy, violent video games cause violent people.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Coach85 Coach85:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And it being "anecdotal observation" is exactly why it's not a thing. It's arbitrary and subjective. If it's not accurate, it's not a 'thing' because you can choose when it works and when it doesn't.

Exactly! You can't say "anecdotal observation" and then claim it's a "thing" in the same sentence.

Yes, I can. Because while it is a serious thing in many circles it is still just an anecdotal observation that's periodically accurate when authorities try to suppress the Islamic identity of a suspect.

Case in point is this story:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/us/new-m ... index.html

Children found in New Mexico compound were training for school shootings, prosecutors say

The father of the man who headed this terrorist training camp is noted in the story:

$1:

The father of Wahhaj and his two sisters, Siraj Wahhaj, a New York imam, has "no knowledge" of the alleged training, said his spokesman, Imam Al-Hajj Talib Abdur-Rashid.
On Thursday, the elder Wahhaj told reporters in New York that "everybody in my family is perplexed" by what authorities found in New Mexico.

CNN won't even breathe a mention of Islam here but, much to their credit, CBS News does:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/siraj-wahh ... documents/

Man arrested at New Mexico compound is son of imam with possible link to 1993 World Trade Center bombing

And in this case it took about 36 hours after the police raided the camp for the identity of the adults to be released to the public.

Perhaps it's a coincidence. In any case, coincidences like this are what makes the Coulter thing a 'thing'.

In the USA at least it'd be very easy to prove Coulter wrong and that would be by consistently identifying Muslim suspects just as quickly as any other suspects.

I think the mistake is that you're attributing the reluctance to release a name as some sort of cover-up. If it's some random asshole doing a one off with no sort of connection, they can release his name because there isn't likely anyone who is connected. And that's the most common situation for "white" shooters. If there is concern of it being part of a cell, others knowing about it, or anything have to do with other people, I would assume they want to investigate a bit, and get those people under observation/in custody before spooking them and causing them to run.

[Thanos]

Tricks Tricks:

You forgot a third (bullshit) legacy, violent video games cause violent people.

Yup. It was just a doubling-down on the bullshit that the moral scolds also pulled on alcohol, rock 'n' roll, Playboy, marijuana, and Dungeons & Dragons. Making fun things that are completely harmless for the vast, vast majority of participants into the scapegoats for the actions of the demented, the criminal, and the ideologically violent.

[PluggyRug]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

You know that isn't a 'thing', right?

I dunno Doc, it's currently 'crickets' mode for the Danforth episode.