[stratos]

$1:

How come American war-loving propaganda and chest-thumping is never held responsible for setting these crises off in the first place the way it should be?

In this case N. Korea has always maintained a military posture. Sense the end (cease fire) of the Korean war N. Korea has violated S. Korea boarders (mostly by sea), sent spies and kidnapped S. Koreans, fired shots at a disputed island, and have had rhetoric about invading S. Korea if they don't get what they want. All of a sudden there have been 2 US presidents calling them out on that in the last 20yrs and the US is to blame?

Don't get me wrong. The rest of your post that I copied the above from made some very good points. I certainly agree with letting China deal with them yet from what I've seen they have done very little to restrain N. Korea over the years.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

So, the large explosions at 41°16'47.87"N, 129° and continual second rate ICBM's flying over Japan aren't enough proof enough of the trolls possession of WMD's?

Let's not forget that it actually 'rocket science'. Just because they have nukes, and ICBMs doesn't mean that putting the two together results in a functioning weapon.

People like me still feel ashamed at 'Nigerian Yellowcake' that led to the sad state the Middle East is in now. We'll expect a bit better intelligence from now on.



Where were they Donald? Where?

Thanos Thanos:

What the fuck has happened to this society in the last couple of decades where even talking about negative consequences to military action is now seen as weakness and cowardice? If this had been the prevailing attitude during the Cold War there would have been a full exchange of nuclear weaponry back in the 1960's or 70's, this planet would be a blackened cinder still choking under a nuclear winter, and every single life-form on this world (including humans) would be effectively extinct.

Iraq happened, twice. Twice the Allies stomped them, without serious casualties. Now any sign that a USian disapproves on the use of overwhelming force is a sign that they don't love America.

[ShepherdsDog]

Vince McMahon needs to capitalize on these two tards and hold a special cage match. Fat man vs Little Boy in Nuclear Annihilation.

[stratos]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Vince McMahon needs to capitalize on these two tards and hold a special cage match. Fat man vs Little Boy in Nuclear Annihilation.

I don't care what side you are on that's funny.

[DrCaleb]

"Leeeeets get ready to ruuuuuuuuummble!"

[Robair]

[Freakinoldguy]

Thanos Thanos:

Or not recklessly include North Korea in Dubya's idiotic Axis Of Evil speech and set them off in a race to arm themselves because the paranoid little fuckers were given a reason to believe that the US was going to be coming after them for real? How come American war-loving propaganda and chest-thumping is never held responsible for setting these crises off in the first place the way it should be? Or how about we put up with what we can't change, like we've done for almost twenty years with a nuclear-armed and Islamist Pakistan, and leave the little freak in Pyongyang for the Chinese to deal with. The sanctions are correct, the international condemnation is correct, the shutting off of credit and cash to NK is correct. Opting to go to war right off the bat, and not even acknowledge that millions of people could end up being killed because watching the American military blow shit up is "cool", as one ghoul who posted above is openly fantasizing about, isn't the correct thing to do.

What the fuck has happened to this society in the last couple of decades where even talking about negative consequences to military action is now seen as weakness and cowardice? If this had been the prevailing attitude during the Cold War there would have been a full exchange of nuclear weaponry back in the 1960's or 70's, this planet would be a blackened cinder still choking under a nuclear winter, and every single life-form on this world (including humans) would be effectively extinct.

You're trying to compare apples to oranges when saying it's the same situation as Iraq. I'll agree that the Americans fucked up in Iraq. But, in this case George Bush Jr, axis of evil speech was made because Kim Jong Il was making and testing nuclear weapons for possible use against South Korea, an opportunity he wouldn't have had if another American President hadn't "caved" to international pressure and given those fun loving peacniks of North Koreans money, oil and nuclear technology. But, just to clarify some facts here. It wasn't the US who started the Korean war and it isn't the US who has been making direct threats to other countries or repeatedly taking military action against their neighbours since 1953. It also isn't the US that's starving their own people so they have the money for weapons technology to keep their Stalanist regime in power.

Secondly Pakistan was and is an ally no matter how much you dislike them. Besides they, as a Gov't haven't threatened America or it's ally's with nuclear destruction, lobbed missiles over another ally or detonated large nuclear weapons in direct contravention of UN sanctions. I suppose we could leave things the way they are with the North Koreans but, if defending yourself is wrong then we should never have fought any of our previous "righteous" wars should we.

Your claim that society in the last decades has stopped talking or caring about the negative consequences of military action because it shows weakness or cowardice is wrong. Only strong nations willing to do what's right understand that you can't appease a maniac and that aggression shouldn't be rewarded. North Korea is this generations Cuban Missile Crisis and given the sociopath that's in charge of that half of the peninsula it's unfortunately no time to show weakness because, he isn't going to stop unless he's made to stop. If we continue to make even more concessions to this evil little shit we'll be complicit in allowing him to further his military capabilities and embolden him to make even more outrageous demands and take even more aggressive actions which we'll have to acquiesce to in the future or fight and I'd rather see him brought to heel now before he has numerous nuclear tipped ICBM's and the capability to reign them on North America. So if that's wrong then count me wrong.

I don't know how long this appeasement policy or sanctions can go before the obviously mentally disturbed leader of that country does something that kills thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people. But, I do know that if diplomacy and sanctions fail we have nothing left in our bag of tricks to give except what his current demands are. Unification of the peninsula under his rule, a place on the Security Council of the UN and the destruction of America's capabilities to defend itself.

[Thanos]

If this is the new Cuban Missile Crisis then we've already lost because there's nothing at all to indicate that the current occupant of the White House has even a small sliver of the wisdom that John Kennedy had. Or the steady demeanour that Ronald Reagan had in similar instances in the 1980's.

The sociopath in Pyongyang is equally matched out in malice and stupidity this time by the sociopath in Washington DC. And instead of an intelligent and educated American populace, like the one that existed back in the early 1960's, we now have a country full of slack-jawed alt-right MAGA morons who would probably like seeing a nuclear weapon blow up over a city "just for the lulz" of it all.

Make no mistake about any of this. This is as potentially dangerous a moment right now as when the Soviets nearly launched missiles in the 1980's when one of their warning systems went on the fritz and falsely indicated that NATO missiles were heading towards Moscow. Except this time it won't be because of a technical error, it's going to be because of the mental disease and emotional chaos that both leaders equally possess. And for anyone who thinks that Trump isn't as much of a nut as Kim is then remind yourself that on at least three separate occasions during the election campaign he openly wondered "what's the point of having a nuclear arsenal if you're never going to use it".

We've been dodging this moment since the Russians blew up their first hydrogen bomb sixty-five years ago. The chickens look like they're finally coming home to roost.

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

This is as potentially dangerous a moment right now as when the Soviets nearly launched missiles in the 1980's when one of their warning systems went on the fritz and falsely indicated that NATO missiles were heading towards Moscow.

$1:

In the early hours of the morning, the Soviet Union's early-warning systems detected an incoming missile strike from the United States. Computer readouts suggested several missiles had been launched. The protocol for the Soviet military would have been to retaliate with a nuclear attack of its own.

But duty officer Stanislav Petrov - whose job it was to register apparent enemy missile launches - decided not to report them to his superiors, and instead dismissed them as a false alarm.

This was a breach of his instructions, a dereliction of duty. The safe thing to do would have been to pass the responsibility on, to refer up.

But his decision may have saved the world.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24280831

The 'Man Who Saved The World' From Potential Nuclear Exchange Dies

[Zipperfish]

What this North Korea / US thing boils down too. In the halls of the UN. In the chat rooms.

[stratos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

What this North Korea / US thing boils down too. In the halls of the UN. In the chat rooms.

Check out the Canucks thread to see the real reason this is all going down.

[Freakinoldguy]

On the news right now China just drastically cut the oil flow to Hermit (the Frog's) Kingdom and banned natural gas exports outright in the hopes it will curtail the sociopath's quest to cause WWIII.

Unfortunately I can't find a link that's any newer than 10 hours and given BC1's propensity for feking up the news I wonder just what part and how much of their story is true. But, anyway here's a link.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-to-l ... 1506140701