[ShepherdsDog]

Like I've said before, beaver and fiddle are just the A and B side of the same Wooden nickelback album.

[Tricks]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Like I've said before, beaver and fiddle are just the A and B side of the same Wooden nickelback album.

Ouch, pulling that nickelback mud. Ruthless.

[BeaverFever]

Coach85 Coach85:

I'm not talking about Harper nor was I here when that took place.

Is it normal for you to excuse poor government policy by saying "they did it too" as some sort of justification?

No I'm not trying to make this a left or right thing either. I'm saying it's normal in any party's government. It's not outrageous or unusual for MPs or really private sector employers to giv a cost of living increase most years. I would have the exact same position if it were a conservative government.

[bootlegga]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It's $2 300 more than most other Canadians are getting....

No it's not. Most people outside of McJobs receive an annual cost of living increase of about 2% or 3%...,often twice that if personal/business performance is above target.

It may have happened, but I don't know anyone who's gotten a pay increase of late in Alberta - people are just happy to keep their job.

Personally, neither myself nor my wife have had a raise in almost four years.

[BeaverFever]

Tricks Tricks:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Like I've said before, beaver and fiddle are just the A and B side of the same Wooden nickelback album.

Ouch, pulling that nickelback mud. Ruthless.

Oh, someone has finally reacted to his "wooden nicklelback" line, he's only had to use it like 20 times to get a response. Now I suppose he can die happy. But hopefully we won't have to suffer it any more.

[martin14]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I'm saying it's normal in any party's government. It's not outrageous or unusual for MPs or really private sector employers to giv a cost of living increase most years. I would have the exact same position if it were a conservative government.

The biggest lie of the month right there.

[BeaverFever]

martin14 martin14:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I'm saying it's normal in any party's government. It's not outrageous or unusual for MPs or really private sector employers to giv a cost of living increase most years. I would have the exact same position if it were a conservative government.

The biggest lie of the month right there.

Well if that's true then you should be able to link to a post of me criticising the Harper government's raises to MPs. But you can't because I don't have a problem with that and as usual the only liar here is you.

[BeaverFever]

bootlegga bootlegga:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

It's $2 300 more than most other Canadians are getting....

No it's not. Most people outside of McJobs receive an annual cost of living increase of about 2% or 3%...,often twice that if personal/business performance is above target.

It may have happened, but I don't know anyone who's gotten a pay increase of late in Alberta - people are just happy to keep their job.

Personally, neither myself nor my wife have had a raise in almost four years.

I've had an annual raise in every job I've ever had, even when the employer had bad years. In fact even when I worked a shitty $10/hr call centre job way back in the day while still in school, when my friends and I were always getting written up for being late and goofing off, my performance review said I was "only" receiving a 1% raise because of my write-ups (otherwise I could have had up to 3%).

I hold a professional designation in compensation management and I can tell you that across Canada, most white-collar jobs include annual salary increases except in exceptional circumstances.

Things might be tough in the oil patch right now but that doesn't mean the rest of Canada doesn't see regular salary increases.

[BeaverFever]

Here you go boys:

$1:

On a national basis, companies are planning average wage increases of 2.6 per cent for 2017 across all employee groups, a decline from 2.8 projected last year and 3 per cent the year earlier. The 2017 projections are even lower when Mercer includes companies that are planning to freeze salaries, falling to 2.3 per cent for the entire survey group.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/sec.theglob ... vice%3Damp

[bootlegga]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

bootlegga bootlegga:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

No it's not. Most people outside of McJobs receive an annual cost of living increase of about 2% or 3%...,often twice that if personal/business performance is above target.

It may have happened, but I don't know anyone who's gotten a pay increase of late in Alberta - people are just happy to keep their job.

Personally, neither myself nor my wife have had a raise in almost four years.

I've had an annual raise in every job I've ever had, even when the employer had bad years. In fact even when I worked a shitty $10/hr call centre job way back in the day while still in school, when my friends and I were always getting written up for being late and goofing off, my performance review said I was "only" receiving a 1% raise because of my write-ups (otherwise I could have had up to 3%).

I hold a professional designation in compensation management and I can tell you that across Canada, most white-collar jobs include annual salary increases except in exceptional circumstances.

Things might be tough in the oil patch right now but that doesn't mean the rest of Canada doesn't see regular salary increases.

Both my wife and I are white collar professionals, (accountant and PR flack) and 3% raises have always been hard to come by, even in boom times here in Alberta - and neither one of us work has ever worked in the oil patch.

I still think you're the exception, not the rule...or a union employee. Those guys always get raises, just like politicians.

[ShepherdsDog]

Not in Saskatchewan this year. We're all supposed to be getting a 3.5% rollback if you're in the public service. Manitoba is discussing it too. Wooden Nickelback thinks that if it happens in Ontario that's all that matters.

[Coach85]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Both my wife and I are white collar professionals, (accountant and PR flack) and 3% raises have always been hard to come by, even in boom times here in Alberta - and neither one of us work has ever worked in the oil patch.

I still think you're the exception, not the rule...or a union employee. Those guys always get raises, just like politicians.

It's precisely why the information provided above means little.

What companies 'project' they will spend on salary is often far from the reality of what they actually will spend.

My experiences have been much like yours. Unless you're prepared to fight for annual raise and come prepared to battle, you're likely not to get anything.

[BeaverFever]

I'm not and never have been a union member. Although from my experience supporting employers who have unions, they often don't get increses and infact the need to continually bargain often presents an opportunity for the employer to reduce wages, which is not something that would happen to non-union.

As for earning the same salary year after year and having to fight for a cost of living increase...I can't imagine. If my employer didn't offer an annual increase next year, there would be a mass exodus of employees. And my employer is not some elite firm or mega multinational corporation. The bonus and increase is the whole point of having a performance plan. I guess if you work for a small family business (I would never) or something that is highly cyclical or seasonal. But most large employers certainly reward performance with annual raises.

The salary surveys are not meaningless projections. Firms pay for those results and use them to benchmark their salary budget for the following year.

[Coach85]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I'm not and never have been a union member. Although from my experience supporting employers who have unions, they often don't get increses and infact the need to continually bargain often presents an opportunity for the employer to reduce wages, which is not something that would happen to non-union.

As for earning the same salary year after year and having to fight for a cost of living increase...I can't imagine. If my employer didn't offer an annual increase next year, there would be a mass exodus of employees. And my employer is not some elite firm or mega multinational corporation. The bonus and increase is the whole point of having a performance plan. I guess if you work for a small family business (I would never) or something that is highly cyclical or seasonal. But most large employers certainly reward performance with annual raises.

The salary surveys are not meaningless projections. Firms pay for those results and use them to benchmark their salary budget for the following year.

Some of Canada's largest employers, especially in the retail sector, don't offer annual increases for performance. While many do at the upper management level, the majority of workers in retail don't see any type of performance-based increase.

[BeaverFever]

Is that what a 6-figure MP salary should be benchmarked to? The retail sector?