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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:12 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
An ISIS\ISIL force of 30,000 would be at best a provincial militia. Meaning the 80k to 100k estimate is far more arguable given the territory those forces have to maintain.



Not to mention all the groups raising money from Muslims in the West,

selling oil and artifacts, finding converts and jihadis, arranging transport,

running import businesses for food and such.


Lots of support people needed as well.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:03 pm
 


The government just announced it won't be able to bring 25 000 by years end. 10 000 will be brought in and they are extending their deadline into February.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal ... -1.3333623


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:04 pm
 


What year? :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:07 pm
 


PluggyRug PluggyRug:
What year? :mrgreen:


2016.....although it should be 2017.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:10 pm
 


Yup, that's what I meant. Trudeau's knee jerked himself into a problem.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:15 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
If so why does ISIS number only 30,000


The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights estimates that ISIS\ISIL has more like 80,000 to 100,000 direct members and they also estimate that there are a total of as many as 200,000 fighters aligned with ISIS\ISIL but who are members of other groups.

Keep in mind that the 'official' Western estimates of ISIS\ISIL strength have been deliberately underestimated in Pentagon reports due to the political influence of the Obama Administration. This is a growing scandal in the US right now that even President Obama has acknowledged has substance to it (meaning it's not something you can just dismiss out of hand as you are wont to do.)

The 80,000 to 100,000 figure makes much more sense from a logistical point of view. A force of only 30,000 or so would be spread dangerously thin across the entire territory held by ISIS\ISIL and their positions would become untenable forcing them to withdraw to concentrate force.

ISI\ISIL is primarily an infantry force that is augmented with pickup truck mounted heavy machine guns and patently ineffective anti-aircraft guns. While they do have some armor that they've captured they lack the skills and the spare parts to keep that armor operational. They have no airpower at all. Meaning that they lack the force multipliers of armor and air support and are therefore not at all comparable to Western forces.

A Western force of 30,000 is significant due to their force multipliers.

An ISIS\ISIL force of 30,000 would be at best a provincial militia. Meaning the 80k to 100k estimate is far more arguable given the territory those forces have to maintain.


Ok but even at 100,000...,there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world so that is one out of every sixteen thousand or 0.00625% of the Muslim population. Surely you'll need to come up with better numbers to prove that all Muslims are terrorists.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:29 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
If so why does ISIS number only 30,000


The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights estimates that ISIS\ISIL has more like 80,000 to 100,000 direct members and they also estimate that there are a total of as many as 200,000 fighters aligned with ISIS\ISIL but who are members of other groups.


There's a map of how they're spreading here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... istan.html

Here they are turning school kids into future jihadis in Afghanistan.



Remember it was ISIS affiliates in the Sinai who were blamed for bringing down the Russian jetliner a couple weeks ago.

Then there's Jihadi groups not affiliated with ISIS but spreading out as well. Al Qaeda is still around and they too are even in Syria as Al Nusra.

Africa is a snake pit of Jihadi groups, and some of us haven't forgotten the originals from Hamas and Hezbollah.

I wouldn't listen too carefully to the "nothing to see here" brigade of "useful idiots" for the Jihad on this one.

They have trouble with the term "spreading" for one thing.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2015 2:37 pm
 


BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Ok but even at 100,000...,there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world so that is one out of every sixteen thousand or 0.00625% of the Muslim population. Surely you'll need to come up with better numbers to prove that all Muslims are terrorists.


I've never asserted that all Muslims are terrorists.

Some of them are perfectly peaceful.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:03 am
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

They have trouble with the term "spreading" for one thing.


...Too bad your mother didn't. BOO-YA!!

Seriously though, you're saying that it might be more like 0.01% of Muslims who are terrorists?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:04 pm
 


Did I say "Useful Idiots"? I meant "Useless".


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