[herbie]

The Dodge truck problem isn't with the gas tank, it's with the steering. And they sell because lots of us don't want to drive a Ford like everyone else does. I've owned 5 Ford P.O.S. pickups in my time that all had their own issues.
The gas tank problem is with older Cherokees and Libertys, not Jeep jeeps (Wrangler). AFAIC if you bought one of those you had too much money and bad taste or you wanted a Jeep with all the drawbacks and none of the benefits...

[BRAH]

I've had my 15 Ram since April no issues except for the key fob not working at Canadian Tire. I will probably trade it in next year for a Tacoma. At the Chrysler dealership they had two trucks for over $100,000. The black was $109,000 the yellow $100,000. Whoever pays that much for a Ram is a F*****g Idiot!

[ccga3359]

BRAH BRAH:

I've had my 15 Ram since April no issues except for the key fob not working at Canadian Tire. I will probably trade it in next year for a Tacoma. At the Chrysler dealership they had two trucks for over $100,000. The black was $109,000 the yellow $100,000. Whoever pays that price needs serious help.

Pfft, I'd wait and save a little more. The only Dodge truck I would now consider and a bagain at $185,000 US: http://www.legacypowerwagon.com/Legacy- ... r_p_8.html

[BRAH]

ccga3359 ccga3359:

BRAH BRAH:

I've had my 15 Ram since April no issues except for the key fob not working at Canadian Tire. I will probably trade it in next year for a Tacoma. At the Chrysler dealership they had two trucks for over $100,000. The black was $109,000 the yellow $100,000. Whoever pays that much for a Ram is a F*****g Idiot!

Pfft, I'd wait and save a little more. The only Dodge truck I would now consider and a bagain at $185,000 US: http://www.legacypowerwagon.com/Legacy- ... r_p_8.html

It's defintely built better.

[Jabberwalker]

FIX IT AGAIN, TONY.

[andyt]

herbie herbie:

The Dodge truck problem isn't with the gas tank, it's with the steering. And they sell because lots of us don't want to drive a Ford like everyone else does. I've owned 5 Ford P.O.S. pickups in my time that all had their own issues.
The gas tank problem is with older Cherokees and Libertys, not Jeep jeeps (Wrangler). AFAIC if you bought one of those you had too much money and bad taste or you wanted a Jeep with all the drawbacks and none of the benefits...

Actually it's Grand Cherokees and Libertys. Both are unibodies, so talking about frame rails (Caleb) doesn't really make sense.

The Grand Cherokee was a good vehicle if you wanted a dual purpose one - on road comfort and some off road capability. Except that most people who bought them never took them off road, so they were in the same idiot league as all the Range Rover drivers. And it's Chryco - just no build quality. I learned my lesson with a '87 Cherokee. Great off road, not too bad on road, but nothing but trouble. Wound up with a Pathfinder and that got the balance between on and off road just right and was dead reliable. Smooth and quiet both on logging mainlines and the highway, pretty decent in washed out logging spurs.

[Freakinoldguy]

There has been a problem for Dodge trucks since the early millennium and it was called the Death Wobble. But, they supposedly fixed it.

This latest recall would indicate that the fix didn't work. Fortunately when I was looking for a new truck I knew about the problem and didn't buy the Dodge I test drove despite the salesman's assurance that they had it fixed.

[herbie]

Any of the "American" cars and trucks - there's no bloody comparison with ones built before 2005 or so.
Driven my friends 2012 F150 4x4 and another's Dodge PU and they're nice vehicles. Those older wheels - just unloaded a 91 F250 4x4 last year rusting thru it's 2nd box, death wobbled in a parking lot if the hubs were locked. Helped 2 ppl replace the motor in their Grand Cherokees (about same age as andyt's) and they weren't so plush after all those years.
Know a young girl who's daddy taught her how to run and then bought her a processor, she just dropped $85K on an F350 like in those pics. Got aluminum rails, headache rack and a TidyTank in it. She'd bought a Dodge, but when she went to pick it up it had a dent in the door and the dealer insisted 'it was like that' when she tested it and signed the papers. THe bank manager told the dealer to FOAD...
curious to see if the prices changed - last time the dollar dropped here lots of Americans were buying pickups here and saving thousands.

[ccga3359]

The death wobble can happen to any vehicle with a solid front axle, I used to get it on my Willys. Its caused by worn suspension bushes. It wont happen on my Dodge 1500 because it's independent front suspension and although I need to replace some ball joints and a tie rod I have no concern of this happening to me.

[Freakinoldguy]

ccga3359 ccga3359:

The death wobble can happen to any vehicle with a solid front axle, I used to get it on my Willys. Its caused by worn suspension bushes. It wont happen on my Dodge 1500 because it's independent front suspension and although I need to replace some ball joints and a tie rod I have no concern of this happening to me.

I've owned numerous trucks, dodges included with both 4x4 and 4x2 since the 1960's and alot have had solid front axles yet not one of them ever developed that death wobble and that's despite the abuse I put them through.

Sloppy steering, bad alignments, worn bushings, shot steering boxes yes, that wobble no. So, why then is it almost solely endemic to newer Dodges?

Here's one guys solution. Maybe Fiat should hire him.

[ccga3359]

You'll find DW on Fords and GMC. My '53 Willys M38A1 was damn near 45 years old when I drove it for the couple years that I had it. In that time it happened to me only 3 or 4 times and I drove this thing pedal to the rust at a blistering 50mph, 55 going down hill, I drove the crap out of it on rod and off.. The thing with it is that you cant predict when its going to happen, it takes a certain sequence of bumps and a nackered suspension but it will only do it with solid axle. My present truck just clocked 100,000 miles, I took it in for an alignment, 3 out of 4 ball joints are shot, one tie rod and one wheel bearing also need replacing. My truck weighs oer 2 and a half tons plus I haul a couple hundred lbs of tool in the back, I probably should've replaced those items 20-30k miles back. Things in trucks will just wear faster than cars.

[bootlegga]

Yet another reason to avoid domestic vehicles like the plague they are.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Yet another reason to avoid domestic vehicles like the plague they are.

Don't let facts get in the way of making a stupid comment.

[Thanos]

Unfortunately the massive Toyota recalls, along with no one being able to trust a VW once it goes over 120K on the odometer, indicate that these things are in industry wide problem across the whole world. I'd like a Toyota truck someday but I'd be under no illusion that I'd be able to ride it for a million miles the way the legendary old Corollas from the 1970's could do.

[BRAH]

Thanos Thanos:

Unfortunately the massive Toyota recalls, along with no one being able to trust a VW once it goes over 120K on the odometer, indicate that these things are in industry wide problem across the whole world. I'd like a Toyota truck someday but I'd be under no illusion that I'd be able to ride it for a million miles the way the legendary old Corollas from the 1970's could do.

I had a 2009 VW Jetta 2.0T (built in Mexico) within one year 10 items (Warranty) went so I traded up to a 2012 VW CC 2.0T (built in Germany) within one year all four injectors had to be replaced (Warranty) not to mention it depreciated so fast it was worth less than $15,000.

I looked into a 2015 GTI but they don't come with a block heater, the snotty sales punk tried to tell me they don't need one because it runs on synthetic oil, like WTF! I will never drive a VW again. Everyone likes to make fun of domestics, well at least they have a F****** block heater!

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

ccga3359 ccga3359:

The death wobble can happen to any vehicle with a solid front axle, I used to get it on my Willys. Its caused by worn suspension bushes. It wont happen on my Dodge 1500 because it's independent front suspension and although I need to replace some ball joints and a tie rod I have no concern of this happening to me.

I've owned numerous trucks, dodges included with both 4x4 and 4x2 since the 1960's and alot have had solid front axles yet not one of them ever developed that death wobble and that's despite the abuse I put them through.

Sloppy steering, bad alignments, worn bushings, shot steering boxes yes, that wobble no. So, why then is it almost solely endemic to newer Dodges?

Here's one guys solution. Maybe Fiat should hire him.

Fiat will borrow this guy's solution, it comcerns the 2500-3500 models correct? I drive a 2015 1500 so I think I'm covered.