[sandorski]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

peck420 peck420:

Or be patient until the deficit is gone? This is a monthly surplus, we are still running a deficit for the year.

Or, maybe, even be a little more patient and get rid of some of our debt? The dividends that that would pay out, for future generations of Canadians, would be incalculable.

Exactly!

We need to pay down some debt. It's killing us.

Unfortuntely, when that happens, we'll have the rabid left screaming that Canada is 'throwing away money' when paying off debt.

The Liberals did exactly that.

[Goober911]

Yep- Easy to make the numbers when progam spending in a number of areas has been slowed down. Take a lok at Military proc under harper in the last 5 years-

[Goober911]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

peck420 peck420:

Or be patient until the deficit is gone? This is a monthly surplus, we are still running a deficit for the year.

Or, maybe, even be a little more patient and get rid of some of our debt? The dividends that that would pay out, for future generations of Canadians, would be incalculable.

Exactly!

We need to pay down some debt. It's killing us.

Unfortuntely, when that happens, we'll have the rabid left screaming that Canada is 'throwing away money' when paying off debt.

Interest rates are cheap, but the cuts made to science and technology programs will have huge financial impacts for decades to come.

Short term pain, long term gain.

Negative impacts. And the same applies to Census data- useless - Yep we are making the Govt dumber by the day under Harper.

[Jabberwalker]

sandorski sandorski:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

peck420 peck420:

Or be patient until the deficit is gone? This is a monthly surplus, we are still running a deficit for the year.

Or, maybe, even be a little more patient and get rid of some of our debt? The dividends that that would pay out, for future generations of Canadians, would be incalculable.

Exactly!

We need to pay down some debt. It's killing us.

Unfortuntely, when that happens, we'll have the rabid left screaming that Canada is 'throwing away money' when paying off debt.

The Liberals did exactly that.

... and before that the Liberals slashed the DND down to the nub twice in three decades to pay for "goodies for all", build colossal deficits, create government programs all over the place new departments and their version of the "Young Pioneers" (Katimavik) ... and all sorts of other Trudeau era Social redesigns. The Liberals "paid down" an historic deficit that they ran up over three decades of money for every cause every buddy.

[Goober911]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

. and before that the Liberals slashed the DND down to the nub twice in three decades to pay for "goodies for all", build colossal deficits, create government programs all over the place new departments and their version of the "Young Pioneers" (Katimavik) ... and all sorts of other Trudeau era Social redesigns. The Liberals "paid down" an historic deficit that they ran up over three decades of money for every cause every buddy.

And they were out of deficit, free and clear in 96- 97 - they still slashed DND.

[sandorski]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

sandorski sandorski:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Exactly!

We need to pay down some debt. It's killing us.

Unfortuntely, when that happens, we'll have the rabid left screaming that Canada is 'throwing away money' when paying off debt.

The Liberals did exactly that.

... and before that the Liberals slashed the DND down to the nub twice in three decades to pay for "goodies for all", build colossal deficits, create government programs all over the place new departments and their version of the "Young Pioneers" (Katimavik) ... and all sorts of other Trudeau era Social redesigns. The Liberals "paid down" an historic deficit that they ran up over three decades of money for every cause every buddy.

Conservatives had their chance to do the same, but knuckled under at the first sign of opposition.

[OnTheIce]

sandorski sandorski:

Conservatives had their chance to do the same, but knuckled under at the first sign of opposition.

Um...no.

They used their surplus from 05-06, 06-07 and 07-08 to pay down the debt from 549 billion to 513 billion.

Their opposition came in year 1 when the Liberals cried because Harper opted to pay down debt and not give all the money away.

The 1993 Liberals came into office with a debt of 527 billion and left with the debt at 549 billion.

[sandorski]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

sandorski sandorski:

Conservatives had their chance to do the same, but knuckled under at the first sign of opposition.

Um...no.

They used their surplus from 05-06, 06-07 and 07-08 to pay down the debt from 549 billion to 513 billion.

Their opposition came in year 1 when the Liberals cried because Harper opted to pay down debt and not give all the money away.

The 1993 Liberals came into office with a debt of 527 billion and left with the debt at 549 billion.

Uhh, yes. Were you around during the 80's?

[OnTheIce]

sandorski sandorski:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

sandorski sandorski:

Conservatives had their chance to do the same, but knuckled under at the first sign of opposition.

Um...no.

They used their surplus from 05-06, 06-07 and 07-08 to pay down the debt from 549 billion to 513 billion.

Their opposition came in year 1 when the Liberals cried because Harper opted to pay down debt and not give all the money away.

The 1993 Liberals came into office with a debt of 527 billion and left with the debt at 549 billion.

Uhh, yes. Were you around during the 80's?

Ah, so we're going back 30 years? Got it. Guess I was wrong when I assume you were talking current governments.

[Jabberwalker]

Current governments are still dealing with the last 40 years of bullshit.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

they consider people making $100 000.00 per year 'middle class'.

And if you look at society as a whole, factoring in inflation and PPP, then making a $100 000 a year definitely places those earners firmly in the middle class. The poverty line is around $30 000 a year now if not slightly higher. Thirty, years ago that was considered lower middle class. Someone making a hundred grand a year pays a shit load of taxes and deductions on top of car loans and mortgage payment. Nowadays if you have a family income of $60 000, for a family of four you'd be on the cusp of lower middle class and the working poor.

[Thanos]

The dipshits in the NDP and the more left-wing of the Liberals generally consider anyone making $60000 to be upper class, so fuck them too. Screw the flat tax ideas as well. There should be dozens more loopholes and deductions so people can keep even more of their money out of the hands of those goddamn crooks.

[andyt]

Median income for an individual in Canada 2011 is 30,180. To claim that somebody earning three times that much is middle class is bullshit. But then fussing about the term middle class is bullshit. Seems everybody strives to call themselves middle class, whether they are below or above the median.

$1:

In 2009, the low income cut-offs (LICOs) – also known as the poverty line – for after tax incomes were as follows:
1 person: $18,421
2 persons: $22,420
3 persons: $27,918
4 persons: $34,829

But to see people earning 100k a year as hard done by, while ignoring those working in poverty, that's real bullshit.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

Median income for an individual in Canada 2011 is 30,180. To claim that somebody earning three times that much is middle class is bullshit. But then fussing about the term middle class is bullshit. Seems everybody strives to call themselves middle class, whether they are below or above the median.

$1:

In 2009, the low income cut-offs (LICOs) – also known as the poverty line – for after tax incomes were as follows:
1 person: $18,421
2 persons: $22,420
3 persons: $27,918
4 persons: $34,829

But to see people earning 100k a year as hard done by, while ignoring those working in poverty, that's real bullshit.

And constantly talking about the working poor, as if we own them more, is also bullshit.

[Public_Domain]