[Curtman]

Unsound Unsound:

Curtman Curtman:

He should get a uterus, then tell us his opinion.

Aww man, I keep forgetting, only women are allowed to have an opinion on reproduction.

Unsound Unsound:

I am uncomfortable with the whole idea though, particularily late term abortions for no medical reason.

I don't see where in the article it says there was no medical reason. These MPs believe their stupid religion commands them to question the judgement of medical professionals and their ethics.

I'm uncomfortable with this dickhead handing out medals to people like the ones we had to deal with at the women's clinic when we lost our baby last year. The crusade that those people are on is hurtful. I don't think either one of us was in a good frame of mind, but to stick their agenda in someone's face like that while they are dealing with a tragedy did something.. It made me think of those assholes every time someone mentions this issue. And if some MP in backwoods Alberta thinks these people are on the level of Martin Luther King, then we have a serious problem with whoever's got the party whip when he's telling the RCMP how to do their job.

[Unsound]

Curtman Curtman:

Unsound Unsound:

Curtman Curtman:

He should get a uterus, then tell us his opinion.

Aww man, I keep forgetting, only women are allowed to have an opinion on reproduction.

Unsound Unsound:

I am uncomfortable with the whole idea though, particularily late term abortions for no medical reason.

I don't see where in the article it says there was no medical reason. These MPs believe their stupid religion commands them to question the judgement of medical professionals and their ethics.

I'm assuming that they wouldn't try to a medically neccesary procedure murder. maybe I'm wrong to assume but you're also assuming when you say they're religiously motivated.

Curtman Curtman:

I'm uncomfortable with this dickhead handing out medals to people like the ones we had to deal with at the women's clinic when we lost our baby last year. The crusade that those people are on is hurtful. I don't think either one of us was in a good frame of mind, but to stick their agenda in someone's face like that while they are dealing with a tragedy did something.. It made me think of those assholes every time someone mentions this issue. And if some MP in backwoods Alberta thinks these people are on the level of Martin Luther King, then we have a serious problem with whoever's got the party whip when he's telling the RCMP how to do their job.

I'm sorry you had to have an experience like that. Most people don't like the in your face agenda pushers, but they exist on both sides. If you can't ignore them and deal with the decent reasonable people on the other side,in a decent reasonable manner, none of these issues or discusions will ever go anywhere. Of course, you refering to their assumed religion as stupid certainly doesn't do much to put you on a higher moral plane.

[BartSimpson]

CanadianJeff CanadianJeff:

Bart you may wish to actually look up 223a before making any comments:

223. (1) A child becomes a human being within the meaning of this Act when it has completely proceeded, in a living state, from the body of its mother, whether or not

(a) it has breathed;

(b) it has an independent circulation; or

(c) the navel string is severed.

Killing child

(2) A person commits homicide when he causes injury to a child before or during its birth as a result of which the child dies after becoming a human being.

The major thing vellacot is missing is that this law was found in violation of section 7 of the charter. There is currently no law at all regarding abortion in Canada at this current time. No really there is none that I can find within the criminal code.

Yet for some magical reason when you take away all the barriers and allow women full and free access to abortion the numbers continue to fall since 1998 according to statscan.

Vellacot is also the clown who tried to push the abortion issue on an anti-bully bill targeting the very real issue of bullying in schools. His argument was that we are "bullying fetuses" when we take any action to take charge of our reproduction.

Just for the record I am also Pro choice for the same reasons unsound stated above. I agree with the court that because of the charter I don't have the right to make a decision of reproduction for another. I am overjoyed to know the numbers continue to fall and I heavily support people using birth control well before this kind of thing ever becomes an issue.

So yeah...facts. You may want to look them up before commenting on such a sensitive issue.

It may behoove you to know that certain late-term abortion procedures sometimes include a Ceasarean section to be performed and the child is actually then born and free of the mother before the abortionist kills it or lets it die. It's not legal everywhere but abortion advocates propose that it is 'ethical' and encourage it to be done anyway. Barack Obama, when he was a state senator in Illinois, voted against making this procedure illegal in that state.

This is not hype. It really happens and one doctor in Philadelphia got sent up for murder.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/philadelph ... d=12649868

If there are reports of something similar occuring in Canada then it should be investigated and vigorously prosecuted.

[Curtman]

Yeah.. "Assumed"...

$1:

He obtained a Bachelor's degree from Briercrest College, a Christian educational institution located in Caronport, Saskatchewan, and later earned a Master of Divinity at the Canadian Theological Seminary (affiliated with the University of Regina) and a Doctor of Ministry from Trinity International University, which is an evangelical Christian university in Deerfield, Illinois. Before entering political life, he was a pastor and personal care worker at a nursing home in Rosthern, Saskatchewan.[2] He joined the Reform Party of Canada in 1990.[3]

[Brenda]

Unsound Unsound:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

+5

I may not care for the gun control remark, but your heart is in the right place and that matters.

Thanks, but you may not like where my heart is either I'm actually pro-choice, mostly due to an unwillingness on my part to make those kind of choices for others. I am uncomfortable with the whole idea though, particularily late term abortions for no medical reason. a feeling that's grown stronger since I had my own children and realized what I could've missed out on if I'd allowed my fear and apprehension to win out in the days after findong out my then GF was pregnant.

I am of the same mindset as you.
When my friend had an abortion done while I was pregnant, early stage, and didn't know if I was allowed or even able to keep my baby, due to a cancer scare, I was NOT happy. But, it was her choice, and she is entitled to it. In hindsight, it was a very good choice for her. The biggest issue I had was that she wanted to talk to me about what to do, and I could not deal with that.
All turned out fine, my girl was born healthy after 38 weeks and the scare was taken care of.

[Unsound]

Curtman Curtman:

Yeah.. "Assumed"...

$1:

He obtained a Bachelor's degree from Briercrest College, a Christian educational institution located in Caronport, Saskatchewan, and later earned a Master of Divinity at the Canadian Theological Seminary (affiliated with the University of Regina) and a Doctor of Ministry from Trinity International University, which is an evangelical Christian university in Deerfield, Illinois. Before entering political life, he was a pastor and personal care worker at a nursing home in Rosthern, Saskatchewan.[2] He joined the Reform Party of Canada in 1990.[3]

Which "he" are you talking about here? There were several MPs involved in the original story. As well, there are a great many MPs of every party who are involved in the pro-life caucus, and some of them are even women.(the only one's who count, apparently.)

Of course a lot of the pro-life crowd is religious, no surprises there, but i think you'd be surprised how many aren't.

And getting a little closer to some of my original points, does it matter if they're religious? As I said before, from their point of view rthey're trying to save lives. It's a valid point of view, even if you don't agree. Calling them names and mocking thier religion beause it's not your point of view is kinda rude.

[Zipperfish]

Curtman Curtman:

Bunch of assholes indeed. He should get a uterus, then tell us his opinion.

I would like to get a uterus, but recently heard that Sears is laying off and downsizing. Are you aware of any other vendors? Thank you.

I do, however, have an uvula. Can I use that instead, in a pinch?

[andyt]

Unsound Unsound:

Calling them names and mocking thier religion beause it's not your point of view is kinda rude.

That's what we do here on CKA on pretty well any issue. You cant' go after Curt for doing it here. I get mocked because I believe in reducing poverty and income inequality - how rude is that. And so on.

Of course this is an attempt to reopen the abortion debate, more than likely motivated by religious belief, but as you say, the belief is irrelevant. I at least have sympathy for anti-abortion religious beliefs vs say beliefs on gays or rape that we've heard.

It would be nice if we could have a rational discussion about this topic, it would be nice, IMO, if we could put some reasonable limits on abortions the way every other country does. It would also be nice to we could have rational discussions about changing our health care system, equalization, status of natives and a whole other bunch of concerns. But the extremists in all those debates, on both sides, don't allow that, so we're often better off letting sleeping dogs lie. Despite Bart's scaremongering, I'm quite reassured that the CMA prevents doctors from performing abortions that are way over the top. I don't know what their guidelines are, but believe they are quite conservative. Better that than people with an agenda that might lead us into the craziness that comes out of the US on the subject.

Anyway, Harper is smart enough not to touch this, so it's a tempest in a teapot.

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Curtman Curtman:

Bunch of assholes indeed. He should get a uterus, then tell us his opinion.

I would like to get a uterus, but recently heard that Sears is laying off and downsizing. Are you aware of any other vendors? Thank you.

I do, however, have an uvula. Can I use that instead, in a pinch?

I know somebody who gives me access to hers. You should consider the same arrangement.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Curtman Curtman:

Bunch of assholes indeed. He should get a uterus, then tell us his opinion.

I would like to get a uterus, but recently heard that Sears is laying off and downsizing. Are you aware of any other vendors? Thank you.

I do, however, have an uvula. Can I use that instead, in a pinch?

I know somebody who gives me access to hers. You should consider the same arrangement.

She gives you access to her uvula? Well, at least that is easier than to her uterus...

[andyt]

Somebody who spends 6 minutes on her back for sex shouldn't be making fun of others here, no matter how they like to get off. Of course Clinton said it wasn't sex.

[Lemmy]

It's funny to me that conservatives, who constantly rail against government and regulation, don't have any problem with creating government bureaucracy to regulate women and their vaginas.

[Curtman]

Unsound Unsound:

Which "he" are you talking about here?

$1:

Conservative MP Maurice Vellacott has written a letter to RCMP Commissioner Bob Paulson asking the force to investigate abortions after 19 weeks gestation as possible homicides. (Fred Chartrand/Canadian Press)

This one. The guy who thinks abortion protesters who assault people on the worst day of their lives are like Martin Luther King.

[Brenda]

andyt andyt:

Somebody who spends 6 minutes on her back for sex shouldn't be making fun of others here, no matter how they like to get off. Of course Clinton said it wasn't sex.

???
What does that mean?

[Thanos]

Lemmy Lemmy:

It's funny to me that conservatives, who constantly rail against government and regulation, don't have any problem with creating government bureaucracy to regulate women and their vaginas.

Brought to you by the same people who now apparently also believe that Jesus would be packin' heat if he returned today and that unregulated capitalism sprung in absolutely perfect form directly from the mind of God Himself.

Organized fundamentalist religion poisons everything. It also apparently creates a lot of retards too.