[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Well, the Braidwood Inquiry seems to disagree with you then;

$1:

The initial claims by all four officers that they wrestled Mr. Dziekanski to the ground were untrue. In my view they were deliberate misrepresentations, made for the purpose of justifying their actions.

http://www.braidwoodinquiry.ca/report/P ... ummary.php

Based on what I've read and seen, those four obstructed justice and lied as long as they could until the video proving they lied surfaced. Then they all changed their stories.

What you've read is opinion. That's why there's trials to come. The inquiry means dick-all in terms of criminal issues.

Did some officers lie? Sure....especially the ones at the top. The ones who falsely described the incident before the video became public. That wasn't the fault of the 4 officers yet they're taking all the brunt.

Why are you and so many others in this Country so quick to place the label of "guilty" on those who haven't yet been proven?

You have to appreciate that your attitude can ruin someone's life, especially someone who's innocent.

[andyt]

wow, you escaped his wrath. Lucky Boots.

One officer was heard saying, before they even came within sight of Dziekanski, "Can I taser him?" These guys were in cowboy mode from the start. But OTI makes a good point - I think the rot goes much higher. These cowboys were just doing as they had been trained, and perjured themselves as they were encouraged and enabled to do by their superiors. And the leader of this happy little squad had/has a severe drinking problem.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

wow, you escaped his wrath. Lucky Boots.

One officer was heard saying, before they even came within sight of Dziekanski, "Can I taser him?" These guys were in cowboy mode from the start. But OTI makes a good point - I think the rot goes much higher. These cowboys were just doing as they had been trained, and perjured themselves as they were encouraged and enabled to do by their superiors. And the leader of this happy little squad had/has a severe drinking problem.

Boots can have a discussion like an adult. You discuss and post like the shit-disturber you are and get treated accordingly. If you don't want to be treated like an asshole, stop being one.

As for your statement, all of what you said is alleged. That quote that someone claimed they heard didn't even make it into the inquiry which speaks directly to it's credibility.

[andyt]

Ah, so now the inquiry is credible in your eyes. Good to know.

When posted from Wiki and you peed all over yourself trying to disparage that, the only shit-disturber was you. I just backed up my statement - but to you that's shit-disturbing if it contradicts your opinion.

[OnTheIce]

andyt andyt:

Ah, so now the inquiry is credible in your eyes. Good to know.

When posted from Wiki and you peed all over yourself trying to disparage that, the only shit-disturber was you. I just backed up my statement - but to you that's shit-disturbing if it contradicts your opinion.

andy, do us a favour and let the adults talk. Surely you have some cut and paste articles about income equality to share today.

[andyt]

What you're saying is you've got nothing, so you attack somebody for using a source you have no problem with other times. Is that what you call being an adult?

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Well, the Braidwood Inquiry seems to disagree with you then;

$1:

The initial claims by all four officers that they wrestled Mr. Dziekanski to the ground were untrue. In my view they were deliberate misrepresentations, made for the purpose of justifying their actions.

http://www.braidwoodinquiry.ca/report/P ... ummary.php

Based on what I've read and seen, those four obstructed justice and lied as long as they could until the video proving they lied surfaced. Then they all changed their stories.

What you've read is opinion. That's why there's trials to come. The inquiry means dick-all in terms of criminal issues.

Did some officers lie? Sure....especially the ones at the top. The ones who falsely described the incident before the video became public. That wasn't the fault of the 4 officers yet they're taking all the brunt.

Why are you and so many others in this Country so quick to place the label of "guilty" on those who haven't yet been proven?

You have to appreciate that your attitude can ruin someone's life, especially someone who's innocent.

I don't think they're guilty before being proven - I think that between the video and the Braidwood Inquiry - we have a pretty good idea of what really happened. They acted rashly and it cost a man his life. There should be consequences for that. Lord knows if I acted rashly and it cost someone their life, I'd pay for it.

As I said, from what I've seen and read, those four originally made statements about the incident - then changed them later once they realized they couldn't hide behind the blue wall.

Of course, those four will get lawyers (probably the very same ones they bitch about that criminals use to get off) and odds are they will get off. They may be vindicated, but they aren't innocent IMHO.

[andyt]

Again - the shame is that these are the only people to face consequences from this.

[HyperionTheEvil]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Because all four lied about the incident. That alone IMHO, should be grounds for dismissal from a police force.

If I changed my statement after giving it in similar circumstances - that is grounds for a charge right there. If I did it on the stand, it's perjury.

I trust cops to do a difficult and dangerous job and for that I respect them, but the flip side if that they have to be accountable for their actions.

Well, that's not true.

None of the 4 officers been convicted of anything. Only allegations have been made.

We'll find out this fall.

Funny how the police whenever they talk about a suspect they are full of righteous indignation about his or her alleged crimes, they go on and on about the 'alleged" suspects crimes, and they feel certain that "he" or "she" did those crimes etc. but when it one of their own the first thing out of their mouths is "innocent until proven guilty"

[Freakinoldguy]

This man is a sexual predator and had he been wearing anything but Red Serge he would now be sitting in some prison cell wondering why his co worker didn't like him showing off his jewish friend Mr. Snake.

This has to go into the "you gotta be kidding me, man" file. And yet the RCMP still can't figure out why they've lost the respect of the people they swore to protect and serve.

[martin14]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Why are you and so many others in this Country so quick to place the label of "guilty" on those who haven't yet been proven?

We saw the video.


And Monty has already been convicted of obstruction with killing the kid on the bike,
so his word ain't worth much.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

I don't think they're guilty before being proven - I think that between the video and the Braidwood Inquiry - we have a pretty good idea of what really happened. They acted rashly and it cost a man his life. There should be consequences for that. Lord knows if I acted rashly and it cost someone their life, I'd pay for it.

As I said, from what I've seen and read, those four originally made statements about the incident - then changed them later once they realized they couldn't hide behind the blue wall.

Of course, those four will get lawyers (probably the very same ones they bitch about that criminals use to get off) and odds are they will get off. They may be vindicated, but they aren't innocent IMHO.

1 guy pulls the trigger on the taser and they all go down as being the bad guys? It's sad that you make the other 3 suffer for the act of 1 officer. The one officer I know personally and has been a family friend since childhood and wasn't the officer that pulled the trigger.

Let's be honest, this has little to do with alleged inconsistent notes and statements, this is about pinning a so called "murder by cop" on 4 officers....3 of which had nothing to do with the tasering.

I hope for your sake, boots, that you're never accused of anything because you will see what your type of attitude does to a family and a person.

In the end, there are no consequences to these officers for the man dying. That's sealed and done. The trials coming up are relating to perjury and have nothing to do with who's at fault for the death.

[herbie]

"No my dear, we're not going into this dark little room to take a DNA sample. I'm going to give you a DNA sample. Say ahhhhhhh!"

[Brenda]

"We need to do a cavity search, ma'am"

[martin14]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

I don't think they're guilty before being proven - I think that between the video and the Braidwood Inquiry - we have a pretty good idea of what really happened. They acted rashly and it cost a man his life. There should be consequences for that. Lord knows if I acted rashly and it cost someone their life, I'd pay for it.

As I said, from what I've seen and read, those four originally made statements about the incident - then changed them later once they realized they couldn't hide behind the blue wall.

Of course, those four will get lawyers (probably the very same ones they bitch about that criminals use to get off) and odds are they will get off. They may be vindicated, but they aren't innocent IMHO.

1 guy pulls the trigger on the taser and they all go down as being the bad guys? It's sad that you make the other 3 suffer for the act of 1 officer. The one officer I know personally and has been a family friend since childhood and wasn't the officer that pulled the trigger.

Let's be honest, this has little to do with alleged inconsistent notes and statements, this is about pinning a so called "murder by cop" on 4 officers....3 of which had nothing to do with the tasering.

I hope for your sake, boots, that you're never accused of anything because you will see what your type of attitude does to a family and a person.

In the end, there are no consequences to these officers for the man dying. That's sealed and done. The trials coming up are relating to perjury and have nothing to do with who's at fault for the death.

Your blinders are on way too tight OTI, you should really think about
stepping out of this thread before it comes back to bite you in the ass.



All 4 were holding Dziekanksi down.
When a store clerk is shot, the getaway driver gets charged with murder, too.

And isnt it amazing the 3 'innocents' decided when they had the chance
to tell the truth they did nothing of the sort.

Yes, your friend got away with murder, and he knows it, or he should.
Maybe he will team up with this reject from Edmunchuk; they can train
him up in the finer points of killing people.
He can show them how to have a good bang while the taxpayer pays for all.
They seem to be kindred spirits.