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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:35 pm
For those of you who would euthanize sufferers of mental illness Imagine the world without these people. Famous people who suffered from mental illness: Issac Newton(he also had a problem dealing with those disagreed with him - he was prone to violent outbursts) Abraham Lincoln Ludwig Beethoven Leo Tolstoy Edgar Allen Poe Winston Churchill Charles Dickens Hans Christian Andersen William Faulkner F. Scott Fitzgerald Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) Herman Melville Tennessee Williams Virginia Woolf Here is a site that lists the names of several other well known people who suffered from mental illness. http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Gard ... index.html While not all sufferers are gifted people, you begin to notice that most gifted people have suffered from one mental illness or another. Some have even suffered from other 'disorders', such as a mild form of autism known as aspberger's syndrome (Albert Einstein being a prime candidate). It's postulated that these illnesses, may in fact be part of the reason they are able to grasp things the rest of us can't.
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:37 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: For those of you who would euthanize sufferers of mental illness Imagine the world without these people.
Famous people who suffered from mental illness:
Abraham Lincoln Ludwig Beethoven Leo Tolstoy Edgar Allen Poe Winston Churchill Charles Dickens Hans Christian Andersen William Faulkner F. Scott Fitzgerald Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) Herman Melville Tennessee Williams Virginia Woolf
Here is a site that lists the names of several other well known people who suffered from mental illness. While not all sufferers are gifted people, you begin to notice that most gifted people have suffered from one mental illness or another. Some have even suffered from other 'disorders', such as a mild form of autism known as aspbergerger's syndrome. It's postulated that these illnesses, may in fact be part of the reason they are able to grasp things the rest of us can't. So true 
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:35 am
Brenda Brenda: I am responding to the story as posted. At least, I was yesterday.
Sooooo, you are claiming that YOUR assumptions are more reasonable and can be used as hypothesis, but mine can't, because in your opinion mine are less reasonable than yours. Your assumptions aren't reasonable because they have nothing to do with the facts that we do know.
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:39 am
Brenda Brenda: I have asked you that 3 pages ago, I believe (but I assume you didn't get that either...)... EVIDENCE... Keyword here, isn't it? Evidence has been provided, and you have ignored it. You're obviously not following the story.
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Chumley
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:14 am
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: For those of you who would euthanize sufferers of mental illness Imagine the world without these people. Famous people who suffered from mental illness: Issac Newton(he also had a problem dealing with those disagreed with him - he was prone to violent outbursts) Abraham Lincoln Ludwig Beethoven Leo Tolstoy Edgar Allen Poe Winston Churchill Charles Dickens Hans Christian Andersen William Faulkner F. Scott Fitzgerald Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) Herman Melville Tennessee Williams Virginia Woolf Here is a site that lists the names of several other well known people who suffered from mental illness. http://www.geocities.com/Wellesley/Gard ... index.html While not all sufferers are gifted people, you begin to notice that most gifted people have suffered from one mental illness or another. Some have even suffered from other 'disorders', such as a mild form of autism known as aspberger's syndrome (Albert Einstein being a prime candidate). It's postulated that these illnesses, may in fact be part of the reason they are able to grasp things the rest of us can't. If anyone on that list had cut someones head off for no reason, whack em. I am not saying to kill anyone who has some defect. If a mental condition works out for the better of the world then I would say its a gift not an illness.
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Brenda
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:07 am
romanP romanP: Brenda Brenda: I have asked you that 3 pages ago, I believe (but I assume you didn't get that either...)... EVIDENCE... Keyword here, isn't it? Evidence has been provided, and you have ignored it. You're obviously not following the story. Very emotional of me, eh?  I still have not seen a report from a team of psychiatrists that states what his mental condition is exactly. Have you? No you have not. If you do, please provide it. For now, your assupmtions are as good as mine. Please, read back what I have stated.
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:30 am
[quote="Chumley"]
If anyone on that list had cut someones head off for no reason, whack em. I am not saying to kill anyone who has some defect.
This is EXACTLY what I have been advocating right from my original post!
I have repeatedly saked the question 'Regardless of why Li is found guilty, whether it be guilty but NCR or not guilty by reason of insanity or just 'guilty', ( A not guilty verdict, I think you would agree, will not happen), What is the point of keeping Li or others ( those others also found guilty of heinous murder) like him alive forever,when those very same funds could be better spent on say treating YOU or one of YOUR LOVED ONES for cancer or some other treatable disease???
Just answer the question Cheryl/Roman and quit twisting my posts and 'expanding on them ' to suit your own views!
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Brenda
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:33 am
YOGI!!!!! "You or your loved ones" is CRUDE!!! You will be slapped for that! 
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:48 am
Brenda Brenda: romanP romanP: Brenda Brenda: I have asked you that 3 pages ago, I believe (but I assume you didn't get that either...)... EVIDENCE... Keyword here, isn't it? Evidence has been provided, and you have ignored it. You're obviously not following the story. Very emotional of me, eh?  I still have not seen a report from a team of psychiatrists that states what his mental condition is exactly. Have you? No you have not. If you do, please provide it. The article already says that it was known that he's schizophrenic, his family was worried about him because he had refused to take medication, had left his wife, told people that he thought he was being followed, and took off on random, spontaneous bus trips. Either you don't know a damn thing about schizophrenia, or you have extremely poor reading comprehension, because those are the only ways that you can not come to the conclusion that he is definitely schizophrenic. All that forensic psychiatry is going to do is put an official stamp on what is already known. $1: For now, your assupmtions are as good as mine. Please, read back what I have stated. Your assumptions are ignorant crap.
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:50 am
Yogi Yogi: Chumley Chumley:
If anyone on that list had cut someones head off for no reason, whack em. I am not saying to kill anyone who has some defect.
This is EXACTLY what I have been advocating right from my original post!
I have repeatedly asked the question 'Regardless of why Li is found guilty, whether it be guilty but NCR or not guilty by reason of insanity or just 'guilty', ( A not guilty verdict, I think you would agree, will not happen), What is the point of keeping Li or others ( those others also found guilty of heinous murder) like him alive forever,when those very same funds could be better spent on say treating YOU or one of YOUR LOVED ONES for cancer or some other treatable disease???
Just answer the question Cheryl/Roman and quit twisting my posts and 'expanding on them ' to suit your own views!
If Li is MENTALLY DISABLED, i would say that punishing him for a crime that he was not in the mind to commit is unjust in the eyes of the law. How can you hold someone accountable for an act that they cannot control? And yes its easy to say lets kill him off...but the truth is he isn't an isolated case and it sets a dangerous precedent like in the case of R. vs. Latimer. And if i had a loved one who was SUFFERING from a mental illness resulting in paranoia and multiple personalities, yea i would say the guy needs help. The rule of law is based on the 3 principles, one of them being treat like cases like and different cases differently. Li cannot be compared to a regular second degree murder case because he may not have had intent by way of a mental disorder or automatism (that is if you go by what the article had said). And in order to prove his guilt, the crown will have to prove intent, which if he is dubbed a mental disorder, it is likely the defense will have a strong case. So i see him getting off NCR and then being moved to some mental rehabilitation center.
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:57 am
$1: I still have not seen a report from a team of psychiatrists that states what his mental condition is exactly. Have you? No you have not. If you do, please provide it.
By the way, it's not like the psychoanalyst is going to come out and say he's a schizophrenic right away, that takes time to diagnose....but what he will say (and it is pretty evident) was that he was suffering from some sort of mental illness based in his actions prior to the murder and based on the first hand accounts of his family and friends (that know him better than you or me). Also based on his reaction during the crime and then his statements after; it just doesn't seem to be adding up. Not to mention he has not criminal record prior to this case. If you read other articles, this is leading more to insanity than a random murder.
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:58 am
Yogi Yogi: What is the point of keeping Li or others ( those others also found guilty of heinous murder) like him alive forever,when those very same funds could be better spent on say treating YOU or one of YOUR LOVED ONES for cancer or some other treatable disease??? Do you think that Li does not have any family who might be very concerned for him right now? $1: Just answer the question Cheryl/Roman and quit twisting my posts and 'expanding on them ' to suit your own views! I have answered the question. If you prefer emotional bullshit over facts, that's not my problem.
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:00 am
cheryl08 cheryl08: Yogi Yogi: Chumley Chumley:
If anyone on that list had cut someones head off for no reason, whack em. I am not saying to kill anyone who has some defect.
This is EXACTLY what I have been advocating right from my original post!
I have repeatedly asked the question 'Regardless of why Li is found guilty, whether it be guilty but NCR or not guilty by reason of insanity or just 'guilty', ( A not guilty verdict, I think you would agree, will not happen), What is the point of keeping Li or others ( those others also found guilty of heinous murder) like him alive forever,when those very same funds could be better spent on say treating YOU or one of YOUR LOVED ONES for cancer or some other treatable disease???
Just answer the question Cheryl/Roman and quit twisting my posts and 'expanding on them ' to suit your own views!
If Li is MENTALLY DISABLED, i would say that punishing him for a crime that he was not in the mind to commit is unjust in the eyes of the law. How can you hold someone accountable for an act that they cannot control? And yes its easy to say lets kill him off...but the truth is he isn't an isolated case and it sets a dangerous precedent like in the case of R. vs. Latimer. And if i had a loved one who was SUFFERING from a mental illness resulting in paranoia and multiple personalities, yea i would say the guy needs help. The rule of law is based on the 3 principles, one of them being treat like cases like and different cases differently. Li cannot be compared to a regular second degree murder case because he may not have had intent by way of a mental disorder or automatism (that is if you go by what the article had said). And in order to prove his guilt, the crown will have to prove intent, which if he is dubbed a mental disorder, it is likely the defense will have a strong case. So i see him getting off NCR and then being moved to some mental rehabilitation center. JESUS CHRIST ALMIGHTY YOU ARE DENSE! YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION(S). REGARDLESS OF 'WHY' LI IS 'FOUND GUILTY', WHAT IS THE POINT IN KEEPING HIM ALIVE 'FOREVER'???? Hypothetical; Only a certain amount of $$$ are available. They can EITHER be used to house/treat Li OR they could be used to treat an illness which YOU or ONE OF YOUR LOVED ONES is afflicted with. WHAT WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE???
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:02 am
Yogi Yogi: REGARDLESS OF 'WHY' LI IS 'FOUND GUILTY', WHAT IS THE POINT IN KEEPING HIM ALIVE 'FOREVER'???? What is the point of keeping anyone alive?
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:07 am
I have been watching this back and forth...it amuses me But in fact the article does not state Li is schizophrenic...it was an assumption of a family he lived with...I will quote the excerpt: $1: A Winnipeg family that had extensive dealings with Li during his two years spent living in the city told the Free Press on Saturday they believe he was suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. However, he refused to go see a doctor to be diagnosed or prescribed any medication, despite a strong push from the family and members of a local church where he attended and briefly worked as a janitor. No diagnosis from psychiatrists, just an assumption on the part of a family that knows him.
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