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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 5:02 pm
 


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The Kansas shooting made my antennae stand up straight.


Meanwhile, the second Fort Hood shooting didn't even rate a single topic on CKA.


I asked about it but was told that's just business as usual since it didn't involve a Muslim shooter.


Apparently the last Ft. Hood shooting was just 'workplace violence' and it had nothing to do with a Muslim shooter, either.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 11:04 pm
 




And Bart check out the last post on this thread.

random-insanity-f16/occupy-wall-street-movement-spreads-to-canada-t97873-600.html

Think about it. :wink:


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Ah ok. So the rancher is an anti-govt nut because some wannabe warriors showed up to support him? When was the last time you held yourself personally responsible for the actions of others?


You're shitting me. So when the black bloc goes riot, that's just a bunch of individuals who happen to show up at the same time?

Yeah ok, you got me. The rancher got on his cell and started calling his heavily armed buddies to come give 'im a hand. :roll:

Seriously andy, are you for real? So I guess all those lefty protesters at the G20 were responsible for the black bloc showing up, right?

Can't blame the rancher if you're not going to blame the protesters.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:27 am
 


I heard this one was banned from Facebook. So I had to check it out.

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Here is the video you WILL NOT SEE on the mainstream media. The BLM did NOT simply "leave" and return the Bundy cattle. They were going to KEEP the cattle --- until a group of brave patriots and cowboys from 7 Western states stood up to sniper guns and FORCED the release themselves.




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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:54 am
 


Sorry, check your sources. The fact of the matter is this guy is on the hook for a Million bucks to the American taxpayer.

The truth is, Cliven Bundy said he didn't have to because his Mormon ancestors worked the land since the 1880s, giving him rights to the land., referring to his fees.


Well the Nevada constitution was Written in 1864. When it was written, this was put in there:

“Third. That the people inhabiting said territory do agree and declare, that they forever disclaim all right and title to the unappropriated public lands lying within said territory, and that the same shall be and remain at the sole and entire disposition of the United States; …..”


http://www.leg.state.nv.us/const/nvconst.html

This is where the good people of the state of Nevada gave their rights to unappropriated lands. His family doesn't predate anything.

If he owns the land, where are the deeds? Was he paying taxes on the lands he owned? Nope just mooching like the welfare bum he is.

He then claims he has the right to graze this land, simply not the case.

The rights for grazing are outlined in the Taylor grazing act of 1934 where it is stated that:
So far as consistent with the purposes and provisions of this subchapter, grazing privileges recognized and acknowledged shall be adequately safeguarded, but the creation of a grazing district or the issuance of a permit pursuant to the provisions of this subchapter shall not create any right, title, interest, or estate in or to the lands.

http://www.blm.gov/wy/st/en/field_offic ... lor.1.html

The whole story is BS. Let's all just deal with it. I'm as disappointed as you are.


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The current grazing fee schedule was also put into place back in 1986 and signed by executive order of noted Communist, and all-round Big Government Hitlerian, President Ronald Reagan. Back then it was about $1.50 per year per cow. Unless it's changed radically since with major price hikes the welfare mooch in question would have only had to pay about $1500 per year for his thousand head of cattle. Unless he's the most incompetent rancher on the face of the planet then that's fucking chicken feed to him as far as costs are concerned because the vast, vast majority of people in that profession sure as fuck ain't poor.

Facts don't matter though, dawg. They never did. And they never will. Better off talking to a 2x4 if you want a rational response. They believe what they want to believe and no amount of facts are going to stop them from living inside the myths they've chosen for themselves. :|


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*headdesk*


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:26 am
 


If anyone deserves a round of applause in all this it's the front line BLM staff. Imagine your trying to do your job and enforce the law and you have to deal with these yahoos? They deserve a lot of credit for their restraint.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:58 am
 


I mentioned the occupy movement earlier.

When we last heard from Andy on that subject he was in favor of those guys breaking city laws to squat unlicensed on city property in Toronto. In fact he felt they should swarm Ottawa.

Those Occupy guys broke the law, because they felt like it. Bundy at least tries to justify his actions as legal based on state and other rights.

I'm thinking the way Delwin talks he also would have been pro-Occupy. Thanos, maybe not. He's against everything.

But does Bundy have a leg to stand on legally? Probably not. Not even the more mainstream Right seem to think so.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/14/n ... -property/

However, there appears to be stuff that gets overlooked.

In the 2 hour lecture video I posted earlier the lawyer and state representative from Utah was talking about state enabling acts. He was talking about how the enabling acts for the Western states were all written pretty much the same. That's what Delwin was quoting - the enabling act making it legal for the Feds to take command of state land. However some states like North and South Dakota do not have the massive sections of their states deemed public land the other states do even though their enabling acts are written in the same language. North and South Dakots being given their state rights to land management back is why American has what stimulus left to the economy it does have. North and South Dakota can Frack, because they have rights to the land and Obama can't stop them from using it.

So why? According to the rep from Utah, they demanded the rights and got them. So what I gather from that is there is leeway around the enabling act. You say Bundy is breaking the law, but I say it's less law than what the Occupiers were breaking.

Also Bundy claims he was paying land management fees to BLM until BLM drove his fellow ranchers out of business with dumb management practices. He claims he will pay the state fees for grazing anytime they want them. At present however the State lacks the balls of North and South Dakota to challenge the enabling act, so they won't take Bundy's money. How much did the Occupiers offer to squat?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:12 am
 


BTW let's pretend this really is just about the money owed the American people. The Feds have already spent more money than they say Bundy owes them in their brief career as cattle rustlers.

If they do succeed in turning this land over to Harry Reid's "investors" for alternative energy well the history of that is the federal government goes in the hole financially.

So Bundy's right. They can't manage the land efficiently enough to make money from it. If your argument is the Feds deserve their money - what money? They'd make more just letting Bundy run his business and take his taxes, which I'm assuming he pays, unlike occupiers.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:12 am
 


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And Bart check out the last post on this thread.

random-insanity-f16/occupy-wall-street-movement-spreads-to-canada-t97873-600.html

Think about it. :wink:


The summary at the end of the video was excellent: "Governance at gun point"

As to Andy's post about Occupy: Are you proposing that the armed militia folks in Bunkerville need to move somewhere else?

It'd be quite interesting to see militia go and occupy Washington. :idea:


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:16 am
 


I know you're joking, but I'm going to pretend you're serious and say, no, I'm proposing the type of people who all of a sudden are so outrageously outraged about breaches of law here with Bundy are the same fools who were all "Yayyyyy! Go Occupy. Break those laws".


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:22 am
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Thanos, maybe not. He's against everything.


Not really. I actually have a very coherent belief system, most of which revolves around my visceral hatred for bullies, lawbreakers, and liars. This is obviously why I share absolutely zero with anything you apparently believe in.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:28 am
 


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N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
Thanos, maybe not. He's against everything.


Not really. I actually have a very coherent belief system, most of which revolves around my visceral hatred for bullies, lawbreakers, and liars. This is obviously why I share absolutely zero with anything you apparently believe in.


But who's the bully here. Bundy, or the Feds? Are you saying David bullied Goliath?

As to liars. You're in Harry Reid's corner here so what would backing a famous liar make you for saying you're against them?


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:30 am
 


N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:
BTW let's pretend this really is just about the money owed the American people. The Feds have already spent more money than they say Bundy owes them in their brief career as cattle rustlers.

If they do succeed in turning this land over to Harry Reid's "investors" for alternative energy well the history of that is the federal government goes in the hole financially.

So Bundy's right. They can't manage the land efficiently enough to make money from it. If your argument is the Feds deserve their money - what money? They'd make more just letting Bundy run his business and take his taxes, which I'm assuming he pays, unlike occupiers.

What can you expect from a govt that has decided that adult children are responsible for the govt debt of their parents. Social Security overpayments from as far back as the 60's are being taken back from the adult children of those recipients, usually in the form of hijacking their tax refunds. All while the corporate welfare gravy train continues to run full steam ahead.


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