[Brenda]

YOU claim facts... Proof please...
As long as you don't back up your claim, your guess is as good as mine. Personal opinion...

NOTHING has been proven yet. YOU come to the "logic conclusion". Based on what? YOUR brain?

[cheryl08]

BASED ON THE ARTICLE!!!
When this issue goes to court. It's not Li that is going to have to prove anything....its the crown. All the defense has to do is provide holes in the argument that the mens rea was lacking.
If the psychoanalyst says that Li is mentally ill, then Li will be deemed NCR. The point is, there is a chance that Li will not be held accountable for his actions, and i suggest you stop judging this incident looking for retribution and start looking at in application to the law....because your going to be one of those people that are then complaining about how the justice system isn't fair....yada yada...cry me a bloody river.

[Brenda]

I am glad you know me so well

Based on the article, you can claim facts. Okayyyyy....

IF... IF... IF... is all you can come up with.

You claim for a fact I am going to complain?
Please, get me proof of that

[cheryl08]

$1:

That would be a little too easy. I'd want to have him suffer for the rest of his life, and I hope he lives till eternity.

$1:

It should not matter if "he meant to do what he did". He did, he murdered someone SO brutally...

He might have been mentally ill, he might have done it in cold blood. Your guess is as good as mine, and as long as it is not proven without a shadow of a doubt that this guy had some kind of mental disease, I am not gonna make up excuses.

Your extreme responses tell me that,.... these are just a couple...someone who is going to respond this drastically without investigating the whole story is going to definately respond that way when he is held NCR especially with your "It should not matter if "he meant to do what he did". He did, he murdered someone SO brutally..."comment

HAHA oh wait...now I'm assuming am i?

[Brenda]

Yes, you are. Compared to other responses I have read and heard, mine were not that extreme. Grow a spine hun

[cheryl08]

I think you should grow a spine to be honest...If you can't take a little harsh news without responding reasonably then I don't think you have much to say besides the same thing everyone else was saying on this thread which are just angry comments with no substance...
But I'm tired of repeating myself so I'm just going to agree to disagree until there is more evidence...

[Brenda]

I have asked you that 3 pages ago, I believe (but I assume you didn't get that either...)... EVIDENCE... Keyword here, isn't it?

You asked me to shut up, and keep my comments to myself because they were crude. Now you tell me to grow a spine... And you expect me to take you and your assumptions seriously???

[Yogi]

[quote="cheryl08"]
And for people who say that because this guy can never be mentally stable on his own and thereby cannot be useful to society so he should be killed, need a brain.
So does that mean that a child with down syndrome who needs special care should be killed too, because he's weighing down society?


It is obvious that you are referring to me here. It is also obvious, to me at least, that you have more 'formal' education than I. That in, and of itself does not necessarily mean that you are more intelligent!

Where, in any of my posts on this subject did I mention 'Downs Syndrome' or my opinion of people who are afflicted with this horrible birth defect?

Also feel free to QUOTE my posts about others with mental defects and my opinion as to what should happen to them!

I am of the understanding that this thread is about ONE person and their actions, hence all of my posts here have been restricted to the specific topic at hand!

I stand by my opinion as related in my earlier posts.I suspect that you also stand by your opinion as to what should happen to this 'poor misguided soul'. To that end might I suggest that you apply to the Govt. to have Li come and live with you. You may want to hurry as I suspect that Roman is also considering making such an application!

[cheryl08]

first thing of all...when your comments are just to offend, it's not that you need to grow a spine it's that you need some proper edicate. When i say grow a spine...i mean learn to take things without getting emotionally involved. second i guess I'm gonna have to wait until it appears in some toronto sun article for you to consider it factual. And once again they are not assumptions they are educated hypothesis' that come with reading the article and commenting on it's possibilities.

[Brenda]

cheryl08 cheryl08:

first thing of all...when your comments are just to offend, it's not that you need to grow a spine it's that you need some proper edicate. When i say grow a spine...i mean learn to take things without getting emotionally involved. second i guess I'm gonna have to wait until it appears in some toronto sun article for you to consider it factual. And once again they are not assumptions they are educated hypothesis' that come with reading the article and commenting on it's possibilities.

I'd like to see a report from the team of psychiatrists, as I have said before.

Your insults are sliding off of my back, and calling me stupid is not a very smart thing to do. Your university education did not bring you much people skills. I am sorry for that.

My assumptions are as good educated hypothesis' as yours. You just don't want to see that. Fine with me.

[cheryl08]

Yogi Yogi:

cheryl08 cheryl08:

And for people who say that because this guy can never be mentally stable on his own and thereby cannot be useful to society so he should be killed, need a brain.
So does that mean that a child with down syndrome who needs special care should be killed too, because he's weighing down society?


It is obvious that you are referring to me here. It is also obvious, to me at least, that you have more 'formal' education than I. That in, and of itself does not necessarily mean that you are more intelligent!

Where, in any of my posts on this subject did I mention 'Downs Syndrome' or my opinion of people who are afflicted with this horrible birth defect?

Also feel free to QUOTE my posts about others with mental defects and my opinion as to what should happen to them!

I am of the understanding that this thread is about ONE person and their actions, hence all of my posts here have been restricted to the specific topic at hand!

I stand by my opinion as related in my earlier posts.I suspect that you also stand by your opinion as to what should happen to this 'poor misguided soul'. To that end might I suggest that you apply to the Govt. to have Li come and live with you. You may want to hurry as I suspect that Roman is also considering making such an application!

When you allude to the idea that someone who commited a crime because they were mentally ill should not be given proper care because it is at the expense of society; i would say yea your statement can be broadened.
As far as I'm concerned, how do you know scizophrenia isn't a birth defect? how do you know that this crime did not result in an episode that this disease caused? What gives you the right to deny THIS ONE person and their actions the right to live because you found it convenient to label this incident as an ISOLATED one different from someone who has say down syndrome and has an episode at the mall!

[Brenda]

$1:

What gives you the right to deny THIS ONE person and their actions the right to live

What gave this man the right to rob one from his life?

His assumed illness did not...

[cheryl08]

I am arguiung to a statement that was said before...
And no one has the right to take a life away...but mental illness takes away the incentive to end the life making it an accident...
should someone be held accountable for actions they cannot control?

[TattoodGirl]

Comparing Downs to schizophrenia or other Mental Health diseases is the same as comparing apples and oranges. Downs is a chromosomal abnormality, schizophrenia is overactive dopamine receptors, hence why anti psychotics are prescribed to suppress the dopamine. Not all schizophrenics respond to medications, it is a hard to treat disease and destroys peoples lives.

There are alot of theory's being bounced around on the mental health status of Li, but until a full psych eval comes back, know one knows what is going on inside his head. A correct evaluation is also dependent on his ability to be open and honest about any hallucinations, paranoia, and possible substance use. Without this he will have to be studied until a correct diagnosis is made...there are so many variables to factor in. I have seen so many clients have their diagnoses changed from month to month. The psychiatrists will also factor in the severity of the violence, this is important for if and when he stands trial and sentencing.

All i know is i am very confident he will never see the outside world again, whether it be in a maximum correctional facility or a maximum forensic facility.

[cheryl08]

but yet apples and oranges are both fruit

I agree i don't think they'll let him back into society, but I'm sure he'll be in a psych ward...not a prison if he is mentally ill

And I'm sure it's not possible to correctly diagnose him right away but it's probobly possible to detect a mental disorder after some tests?